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"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth." Do you have any objective source other than the Bible to corroborate this? Science. Observation. Spiritual experience. Reason. Mathematics. Archaeology. Those are good companions when one is making a decision. Well, as Polanyi, wh...

I don't "shy" away from any such thing, actually. Oh good. So what is factual about Genesis? Let's start at the start. I did suggest this, but at the time you were less in favour. If we want to start at the real beginning, the beginning of my "establishing" of things was the gos...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 10:05 pm

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 9:52 pmEven you shy from pretending it gives off the illusion of fact.

I don't "shy" away from any such thing, actually.

Oh good. So what is factual about Genesis?

Objective morality is a fiction... Here's the interesting thing about a fiction: it only works if it gives off the illusion of fact. The worlds fiction creates have to look or seem real, and the characters and situations have to strike us as human and plausible, even in the wildest fiction. That is...

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:58 pm

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:47 pmCareful Skepdick; you're in danger of learning something.

I'm dusting off old skills... Horses for courses.

Phew! Panic over.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:43 pm

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:41 pm

There's something in teeth. Need a floss?

Careful Skepdick; you're in danger of learning something.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:32 pm

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:02 pmThat's just your point of view.

Which is precisely the fucking point...

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 12:53 pmThe point of objectivity is entirely contingent upon people deciding what the point of objectivity is.

That's just your point of view.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 12:39 pmIf we want to start at the real beginning, the beginning of my "establishing" of things was the gospels, not Genesis. So do you want to start at the beginning of the book, or the beginning of what personally "established" me?

Well, if you want to make this about you, go for it!

Well, the Bible is 66 books...a library of different literary forms, composed by different authors, over a period of about a millennium and a half. And the "establishing" of any part of it has to happen by way of the appropriate test -- which is quite different for each kind of literary f...

"Feelings?" Anybody who trust his/her feelings is bound to go off course. In regards to the Bible, it's better to do proper textual analysis and exegesis, not rely on feelings. Well, since you mention the Bible, let's start with your feeling that the Bible is in some sense true; a feeling...

How do we know, given Subjectivism, whose feelings are right? How do you know how you currently interpret your Bible is right? I'm not sure how that question relates to Subjective Morality. Maybe you'll explain. Well, if as you claim morality is objective because your god says so, how do you know y...

Lorikeet wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 8:41 pmHistory repeats.... but ever in exactly the same way.

Doesn't it? Hello again.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 12:32 amHow do we know, given Subjectivism, whose feelings are right?

How do you know how you currently interpret your Bible is right?

From your reading, when do you imagine souls are created? We are not told. I'm not as distracted by the bible as you, so I'm happy to concede that I know of few biblical passages about the creation of souls. Off the top of my head, I can only think of your god breathing the breath of life into Adam...