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by Zelebg
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:14 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Evolutionary reason for consciousness?
Replies: 32
Views: 9195

Re: Evolutionary reason for consciousness?

I have higher hopes though, that to truly solve the easy problem as Chalmers coined it, which would be to understand the total functionality of consciousness, we would gain insight into why there is anything it’s like to be conscious. Ok, but in the meantime I would like you to try and think of one...
by Zelebg
Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:47 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Evolutionary reason for consciousness?
Replies: 32
Views: 9195

Re: Evolutionary reason for consciousness?

This is conscious experience. All the senses learn this universal language and so can talk to any other part of the brain, and know what it's talking about. That's all good. It may be like that whether it is necessary or not. But I don't want to just explain it with the first thing that makes sense...
by Zelebg
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:40 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Evolutionary reason for consciousness?
Replies: 32
Views: 9195

Re: Evolutionary reason for consciousness?

The selection function could be stochastic - and to us, humans it appears stochastic a priori. I'm talking about Darwin's "natural selection" where the whole point is that it's not stochastic, but deterministic. And even if your objections were not completely wrong they would still be irr...
by Zelebg
Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:13 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Evolutionary reason for consciousness?
Replies: 32
Views: 9195

Re: Evolutionary reason for consciousness?

Let me ask you, when you put your hand over a flame, what is your initial reaction? It is to withdraw from the flame. You do this because you feel pain. Now, the body actually has a “silent” signal of pain below the level of awareness which acts much quicker than the consciously felt pain, it sends...
by Zelebg
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:51 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Evolutionary reason for consciousness?
Replies: 32
Views: 9195

Re: Evolutionary reason for consciousness?

You asked "Why need to feel unpleasant fear instead of simply get 'fear signal' and 'compute' how to avoid the 'pain signal' without actually feeling or being conscious of anything?" And the answer stands exactly as before..... Either those species who didn't experience unpleasant pain we...
by Zelebg
Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:46 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Do we need consciousness?
Replies: 158
Views: 30621

Re: Do we need consciousness?

Electromagnetic Phenomena, Firing Neurons, the Red Experience, and the Number 00FF0000 are completely different kinds of Data. Photon contains and transmits information. Neuron firing contain and tranmit information. Color variable in software contains information. What does experience do with info...
by Zelebg
Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:36 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Evolutionary reason for consciousness?
Replies: 32
Views: 9195

Re: Evolutionary reason for consciousness?

Skepdick, how's any of that have to do with anything I said? You are just pulling out wrong conclusions and replying to your own hallucinations.
by Zelebg
Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:43 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Do we need consciousness?
Replies: 158
Views: 30621

Re: Do we need consciousness?

The Conscious Visual experience is the thing that allows us to move around in the world. Robots and worms can move around in the world. You are talking about awareness without explaining why it needs to be accompanied by _subjective_ or 1st person experience, as opposed to just have signals and inf...
by Zelebg
Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:52 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Evolutionary reason for consciousness?
Replies: 32
Views: 9195

Evolutionary reason for consciousness?

Some say it's pain and joy, or more precisely the ability to feel or be conscious of fear and desire, for the purpose to produce creative-reaction organism as opposed to just reflex-reactive. In other words, when organism encounters danger, then the ability to feel fear will give it options to deal ...
by Zelebg
Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:41 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Do we need consciousness?
Replies: 158
Views: 30621

Re: Do we need consciousness?

Assumption of a point of reality, be it an abstraction, intuition or physical action that is percieved. In assuming, thus being imprinted by this point, the point is inverted into a new set of points and is projected either into the observer or outwards thus forming a pattern. This pattern is then ...
by Zelebg
Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Do we need consciousness?
Replies: 158
Views: 30621

Re: Do we need consciousness?

Perceptual sensory modalities, operating with minimal attention, flagging issues where necessary as they interact with prelearned behaviour patterns, guiding those actions and providing sensory feedback to allow the motor areas to perform the correct actions. How about we represent that with a diag...
by Zelebg
Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:16 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Do we need consciousness?
Replies: 158
Views: 30621

Re: Do we need consciousness?

The purpose and function of Conscious experience awareness and attention One purpose then of conscious experience is to allow The linking of multiple sensory modalities and experiences to form associations of networks for the purposes of learning. Consciousness: 1. is focused awareness, is computat...
by Zelebg
Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:38 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: A.I. requires human consciousness for sentience
Replies: 75
Views: 16143

Re: A.I. requires human consciousness for sentience

Skepdick wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:53 pm

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def iteration(n):
  s = 0
  for x in range(1,n+1):
    s = s + x
  return(s)
"For/next" is a macro for recursive function. But iteration being different from recursion doesn't mean they can't implement the same function, and is beside the original point anyway.
by Zelebg
Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:45 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: A.I. requires human consciousness for sentience
Replies: 75
Views: 16143

Re: A.I. requires human consciousness for sentience

No, it doesn't. Computer Science has nothing to do with numbers or sets Computing has nothing to do with numbers, eh? I'll just laugh and ignore that since you have taken too much of my time already. Anyhow, you were not talking about "Computer Science", I was. In your confusion instead y...
by Zelebg
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:21 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: A.I. requires human consciousness for sentience
Replies: 75
Views: 16143

Re: A.I. requires human consciousness for sentience

So I sent you to the page for recursion theory . Did you even notice that it's actual name is "computability theory"? If you actually understood the very contents of the links you are posting you would've read this paragraph: You are repeating yourself, and you were already told: Recursio...