Philosophy Now Forum

'Fact: a thing that [is known] to exist, or to have occurred, or to be true.' (Concise Oxford) 👆 Yes, that's one human conception of what facts are. Is this conception true? Who is the knower? Does it have to be at least one human? And if so, why? Who's asking such questions and why? To clarify, th...

1 Your P1 is wrong, because humans don't generate facts . Yes we do. We generate different descriptions , using different discourses. This should be trivial to demonstrate then. If there's a conceptual distinction to be drawn between facts and descriptions of facts then you should be able to show u...

You still don't understand that non-moral premises can't entail moral conclusions. And I can't explain it any more simply. I don't understand this claim. Is it even true? What makes it true? Here's a non-moral premise entailing a moral conclusion. Today is Monday. Therefore murder is wrong. What do...

That permission is always granted. Note also the bit where he wrote "Therefore moral objectivity is inherent critical for moral progress within humanity", demonstrating the logically invalid ought-to-is direction of portions of his work. IF we are to have true moral progress (as defined b...

It is an understandable misunderstanding. The intellectual dishonesty by Peter "Dumb Cun t" Holmes continues... What's a "mis" understanding without the a priori moral presupposition of of right vs wrong understanding? There's just the subjectivists' understanding. There's the o...

Therefore, the ‘that’s-how-we-use-these-words’ argument for moral objectivity is invalid, as it would be for any other kind of objectivity. Enforcement of social norms (such as the (in)validity of arguments) is an empirical example of the objectivity of morality. There exists an object in the world...

To construct a model of reality is not to construct reality. Which reality are you constructing a model of? We can describe things in countless different ways. Which things are you describing? But a description is not the described. Which described are you describing? Peter "Dumb Cun t" H...

That seems obviously false. Especially when it comes to science, which has knowledge without any apparent social function. That seems obviously incoherent. If it has no social function - why do a bunch of social creatures DO science? Why do a bunch of social creatures manufacture scientific knowled...

So you said that you use science to corroborate your beliefs about creation. And now you trash science. Must make sense to someone. :shock: Ultimately, all knowledge is a social construction. It's "created" by humans for human consumption because it performs a social function. It serves a...

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:47 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:43 pm

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:41 pm

There's something in teeth. Need a floss?

Careful Skepdick; you're in danger of learning something.

I'm dusting off old skills... Horses for courses.

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:41 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:32 pm

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:02 pmThat's just your point of view.

Which is precisely the fucking point...

There's something in teeth. Need a floss?

Morality is useful for what we use it for, The same goes for objectivity. And it goes without saying that neither morality nor objectivity are useful for the things we don't use them for. Objective morality is a fiction All morality is fiction. Nothing precludes fiction from being objective. This i...

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:02 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 12:53 pmThe point of objectivity is entirely contingent upon people deciding what the point of objectivity is.

That's just your point of view.

Which is precisely the fucking point...

There is no point of objectivity that is point-of-view independent.

As far as I am concerned, "objectively moral", is a contradiction in terms. Objectivity is the default position. Everything's objective. My desires. Your desires. The fact that your desires conflict with my desires. Objective facts everywhere. There's no contradiction until you make up th...

'Subjective' and 'objective' can be useful words if people are in agreement on the meaning because then we can bypass spelling out every detail of what is being discussed. As it is, I have to ask exactly how subjective morality works, step by step, so that I can try to figure out what people are ac...