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As far as I am concerned, "objectively moral", is a contradiction in terms. Objectivity is the default position. Everything's objective. My desires. Your desires. The fact that your desires conflict with my desires. Objective facts everywhere. There's no contradiction until you make up th...

'Subjective' and 'objective' can be useful words if people are in agreement on the meaning because then we can bypass spelling out every detail of what is being discussed. As it is, I have to ask exactly how subjective morality works, step by step, so that I can try to figure out what people are ac...

As long as you know what 'objective' means, that's all that counts. It doesn't mean anything. It's an unnecessary word. Everything's objective by being exactly the way it is and no other way. It is by historical accident that things happened one way and not another way. It's a historical accident t...

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 12:48 pm The whole point of objectivity is not to be contingent on agreements.

Do you ever get tired of being this dumb?

The point of objectivity is entirely contingent upon people deciding what the point of objectivity is.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 12:31 pm Taken from our friendly neighbourhood Philosophy Forum from a thread hoping to prove that the abortion povs were not diametrically opposed.

Showing how amusing is the idea or objective morality.

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So how did you decide that abortion is a moral issue?

mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 10:44 pm Now you look as if you are avoiding communication, Pete.

Communication is the (inadvertent and benign) manipulation of other minds.

You said you aren't into propaganda.

It's not possible to reconcile these two goals.

mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 12:17 pm Pete, we are talking at cross purposes; I’m a philosopher, and it seems you are primarily interested in rhetoric.

There's a difference?

Well, since you mention the Bible, let's start with your feeling that the Bible is in some sense true; a feeling you clearly trust. No amount of textual analysis and exegesis can establish that objectively. How can you know you haven't gone "off course"? Can any amount of textual analysis...

cooperation usually benefits everyone. If anyone stands to benefit less through cooperation than through robbing you then it's never true that cooperation benefits everyone. Robbery also involves the risk of retribution or retaliation. It's not free. The risk is priced into the assertion of "b...

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 3:21 pm cooperation usually benefits everyone.

If anyone stands to benefit less through cooperation than through robbing you then it's never true that cooperation benefits everyone.

Another way to view this is to consider the very many ways in which philosophers have attempted to define the proper way to locate that which is morally desirable. There's usually a prima facie plausibility to the matter, and in general it is upon closer inspection that we find there is something i...

He is doing me a favor in his burning down of Analytical Philosophy and its linguistic turn, however I reject his claim that he had burned my [& the Kantian] philosophical stance. Whatever is of Rorty in his 'Mirror of Nature,' it has no significant counter to Kantian-philosophy-proper. Eeeeeh,...

Not sure of your point. As stated above, my interest in that book is Rorty's exposure that to cling onto the concept of an mind-independent external world is unrealistic. I have extended the above argument to an evolutionary default and that philosophical realism is illusory. Btw, I do not use the ...

Atla's point about combining moral approaches into a convergent system merits more consideration. If we look at what Kant was doing when he systemised the synthetic a priori into being, it was to create order. This is why VA bangs on about Kant's supposed completeness; he arranges it such that ever...

I raised this thread on the same book by Rorty Rorty - No Mind-Independent Reality https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32188 What I am interested with Rorty is his condemnation of the very proud, arrogant but ignorant, Analytic Philosophers [PH, FDP, etc.] who insist upon and ar...