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by Immanuel Did
Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:11 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3984
Views: 157191

Re: What could make morality objective?

When we arrange a set of dots to be the letter A, we have added something which is more than the sum of the parts. The simple sum of the parts is just the number of dots. But in arranging them as the letter A we have added a modicum of meaning and increased potentiality for meaning. When the letter ...
by Immanuel Did
Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:45 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3984
Views: 157191

Re: What could make morality objective?

Glad the conversation got to this point because there's two points of interest I've been meaning to bring up. Kurt Gödel came up with his incompleteness theorem which included the notion that in any system containing arithmetic, there are true statements which cannot be proved within the system. Kar...
by Immanuel Did
Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:03 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3984
Views: 157191

Re: as I say, 'eye of the beholder', so: see clearly

"If our understanding of morality or ethics is conventional then what one institution may say is unacceptable today may be acceptable tomorrow." And vice versa. This shift in convention doesn't obligate you or me or him or her to comply, of course, as long as we each accept the status of 'criminal'...
by Immanuel Did
Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:34 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3984
Views: 157191

Re:

If I'm a Grade-A Dick, it may very well be the one shootin' at me is justfied. Of course, I won't be inclined to make it easy for that person to plug me, even if I agree I'm a Grade-A Dick, cuz I like bein' 'alive'. So, it's definitely 'self-preservation', not 'morality', motivatin' me. True which ...
by Immanuel Did
Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:16 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3984
Views: 157191

Re: This may have been stated up-thread...

...but if it hasn't: The only 'thing' that can make morality 'objective' is a perfect moral architect/arbiter. Such a 'thing' may exist, though I personally have experienced no evidence of this. So: in the absence of a perfect moral architect/arbiter, we got what we got, which is: morality by reaso...
by Immanuel Did
Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:03 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3984
Views: 157191

Re: What could make morality objective?

Re: Peter Holmes I took your position as representative of Wittgenstein's earlier work and not of his later work. Which is why I thought you would be supportive of the verification principle which renders ethics, religion, and metaphysics as "meaningless". Would you say your philosophical perspectiv...
by Immanuel Did
Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:29 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3984
Views: 157191

Re: What could make morality objective?

The challenge presented earlier was whether or not moves in a game of chess are assumptions or value judgements. Since this is the main premise logical positivists use to explain their philosophical perspective by analogy it needs to be coherent and without flaw to deliver an accurate notion of real...
by Immanuel Did
Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:12 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3984
Views: 157191

Re: What could make morality objective?

When it comes to the language game as advanced by Wittgenstein he posits that this structure follows rules such as that as of a board game. When it comes to the chess identity rule the applicability of the rule requires not only that there are principles which tie chess piece identity to initial pos...
by Immanuel Did
Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:26 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3984
Views: 157191

Re: What could make morality objective?

If faced with a Munchausen Trillema I find that the only way out will be a circular or regressive argument. That is a value-judgment. There is no way out of the Trillema. The common labels for people who pull themselves out of the swamp are "coherentists" for those who abandon justification, and "d...
by Immanuel Did
Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:21 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3984
Views: 157191

Re: What could make morality objective?

The issue with Peter's epistemological perspective (I'm assuming because he hasn't really clarified much for me). The is-ought problem utilizes a mechanism of inference that you cannot develop an ought from an is. This mechanism of inference can be turned upon itself from the fact that Hume is telli...
by Immanuel Did
Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:28 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3984
Views: 157191

Re: What could make morality objective?

Re: Peter Holmes I'm appealing to analytical philosophy to justify what I can know and not know. Since I believe you are arguing from a Positivist position as extended from Humean notions I'm going to posit that your assumption of knowledge rests upon the verification principle. Logical positivism a...
by Immanuel Did
Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:59 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3984
Views: 157191

Re: What could make morality objective?

The transcendtal analytic or "idealism" I'm appealing to is the framework of Kant's philosophical system. Kant posits that our relation to objects or abstract notions appeals to a priori concepts or truths. He parts ways with Platonic idealism as too dogmatic in it's assertions. Rather withholding t...
by Immanuel Did
Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:01 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3984
Views: 157191

Re: What could make morality objective?

Re: Peter Holmes I can see where you are coming from when you say there's a linguistic element that contorts our knowledge or understanding. I may not personally agree with it but I understand the premise. I still am curious what you would consider a factual truth. My idea of a conceptual truth woul...
by Immanuel Did
Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:04 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3984
Views: 157191

Re: What could make morality objective?

I'm liking this exchange. I'm new to this forum and it's hard to see educated and mature discussion like this anywhere on the internet. I can kind of see where Logik is coming from although I don't understand his basis. I would ask what your basis is Peter but I think it would be more helpful to ask...
by Immanuel Did
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:36 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3984
Views: 157191

Re: What could make morality objective?

Re: Peter Holmes In Robert Hanna's Cognition, Content, and the A Priori: A Study of Philosophy of Mind and Knowledge. Robert details that the Analytic-Synthetic distinction is merely an updated version of Hume’s Fork (Most of Kant's work is in reaction to Hume) which in turn is the two-pronged epist...