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by devans99
Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:33 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 10125

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

If you define the universe as everything there is, then say cause and effect apply, it leads to the conclusion that the universe was caused by the universe. Are you implying that there could be something wrong with that conclusion? No I'm defending the conclusion as at least a possibility. It impli...
by devans99
Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:24 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 10125

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

Because it seems quite obvious (to me, anyway) that the endless and boundless, omnidirectional nothingness that is constantly giving-way to the expansion of our little bubble of reality (again, as depicted in the illustration)... ...represents a clear and tangible visualization of what the word “in...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:54 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 10125

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

What I mean is in the 4d spacetime view, the universe is a giant torus with time going around the ring. It would not perpetuate infinitely, it just is - a completely static object in 4d spacetime. Now does not really exist in the spacetime view of the world. A static object doesn’t undergo any expa...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:21 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 10125

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

I think big bang, big crunch is a self-sustaining model Therefore infinitely perpetual. Yes its speculation, but its an interesting way out of the infinite regress... Are you now saying that you are opposed to infinite regress, but you are OK with infinite perpetuation? It seems you want to have yo...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:57 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 10125

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

If you define the universe as everything there is, then say cause and effect apply, it leads to the conclusion that the universe was caused by the universe. Which is a contradiction. Or just circular reasoning. The very notion of "cause and effect" requires two parts. So it may have been the last e...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:38 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 10125

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

I am sticking with cause and effect. I don't see how the universe gets things done without it. A non-local version of cause and effect though. As far as quantum mechanics goes, I think something like the Pilot Wave interpretation (non local hidden variables) will turn out to be true... If you insis...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:24 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 10125

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

Nearly everything we know obeys cause and effect, except there is some debate at the quantum world. Nearly everything is not the same as everything. Hence why logic is about "universal" laws. Devil is in the detail.s The fact that we can't measure accurately does not mean its non-deterministic IMO ...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:10 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 10125

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

I am not saying absence of everything has every existed in totality; there has always been something in our universe (but maybe there are null universes out there somewhere). I just saying absence of everything could co-exist with something; IE our expanding universe. If you don't buy the argument ...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:54 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 10125

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

I remain in disagreement. Naturally. You are free to remain wrong. Absence of everything is a logically consistent idea. No, it isn't. Logic was invented by humans. The assertion of logical predicates requires humans. Humans are made of particles. Absence of particles means absence of humans. Absen...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:43 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 10125

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

It is not contradictory. Put another way: The presence or not of something in reality is indisputable. Therefore the not presence of everything is possible. non-existence exists is contradictory. Refer to Principia Mathematica, Cambridge, pages 116–117 I remain in disagreement. Absence of everythin...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:25 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 10125

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

I stand by non-existence exists in reality. And what is your opinion regarding the law of non-contradiction? You could've opted for "Representations of non-existence exist in reality." but you chose the way of The Dumb. You fail to distinguish between the map and the territory... It is not contradi...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:20 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 10125

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

The representation of non-existence exists in our minds. Non-existence occurs in reality. You have just committed The Eternal Philosophical error in reasoning! You have drawn a linguistic distinction without a practical difference between the words "occurs" and "exists" so as to avoid contradicting...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:08 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 10125

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

Zero is in our minds so does not exist, OK. Lets go with that. it represents something that does exist; the absence of things. Yes. Zero represents non-existence. So the representation of non-existence exists in minds. But you just said that zero is in our minds and does not exist. So does the repr...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:55 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 10125

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

By the presence of something we can infer the possibility of nothing. Maybe you can. I can't. I've never seen "nothing". It's more like absence of existence is possible. We need something to represent absence of existence and that is zero. I see! So we are dealing with representation of existence, ...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:45 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 10125

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

It would be an empty universe with zero particles. Such a thing could feasibly exist. That nothingness is nothing so its incorrect to say it goes goes on forever - Its has no spacial dimension to go on forever. So it's incorrect to say that it goes on forever, but it's correct to say that something...