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by Atla
Sun May 05, 2024 4:37 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 727
Views: 41887

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

Fine, you've chosen a religion. No, not quite. My perspectives came before I considered religion as such. All that I have really said is that there is a world of metaphysical impetus (idea, pattern, imposition) that comes through man and molds and determines his world. And I think there are (indeed...
by Atla
Sun May 05, 2024 2:33 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 727
Views: 41887

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

Fine, you've chosen a religion.
by Atla
Sun May 05, 2024 5:38 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9762
Views: 894562

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

No. The argument is that Moral Subjectivism fails to deliver any information at all. It fails on its own two legs, so to speak, and needs no input from Objectivism in order to fail. You mean it doesn't deliver any objective moral information at all. I neither said that, nor even implied it. In fact...
by Atla
Sat May 04, 2024 7:08 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9762
Views: 894562

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

After 20k+ comments, his best argument seems to be that morality can't be subjective, because only objective morality can be morality. No. The argument is that Moral Subjectivism fails to deliver any information at all. It fails on its own two legs, so to speak, and needs no input from Objectivism ...
by Atla
Sat May 04, 2024 3:43 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 727
Views: 41887

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

What if I take a brain scan of someone who is having abstract thoughts, and some brain regions light up on the scan?
by Atla
Sat May 04, 2024 3:25 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 727
Views: 41887

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 12:42 pm
Atla wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 11:43 am People often come forward with their metaphysical attainments here, I do too sometimes.
What is a metaphysical attainment?
Attaining satori for example, but I don't really know how people use the word metaphysical, there seem to be different meanings in use.
by Atla
Sat May 04, 2024 11:43 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 727
Views: 41887

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

Plato, Aristotle — mere children when I reflect on my own attainments. Could you present your (higher order metaphysical?) attainments? You could not possibly have taken me seriously …. Only half-seriously. People often come forward with their metaphysical attainments here, I do too sometimes. Thou...
by Atla
Sat May 04, 2024 10:51 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9762
Views: 894562

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I don't doubt that a lot of people do think of morality, or certain aspects of it, as something that corresponds to some sort of truth, but the topic is about what morality actually is, not what some people happen to believe it is. Well, we know what it isn't. It isn't "subjective." But t...
by Atla
Sat May 04, 2024 8:14 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 727
Views: 41887

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 8:02 pm Plato, Aristotle — mere children when I reflect on my own attainments.
Could you present your (higher order metaphysical?) attainments?
by Atla
Fri May 03, 2024 8:08 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 727
Views: 41887

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 8:02 pm Plato, Aristotle — mere children when I reflect on my own attainments.
:)
by Atla
Fri May 03, 2024 7:47 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 727
Views: 41887

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

Beethoven can hardly be considered a musician. Some of his *music* sounds to me like a garbage truck rumbling over a pot-holed back alley -- and then those caterwauling felines! And all of it ALL OF IT is just noise. I am surprised people don't see through it. All those sentiments, feelings indeed ...
by Atla
Fri May 03, 2024 7:24 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 727
Views: 41887

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

...they too (at least the more intelligent ones) agreed that "supernatural realness" is just an illusion. They then altogether, in an act of group solidarity, pooped in their drinking water. _______ Pooping in the drinking water is no way to be either, the non-religious will have to find ...
by Atla
Fri May 03, 2024 2:45 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 727
Views: 41887

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

To say that supernatural realness isn't real, seems absurd? On the contrary. It appears to me that you think like someone who hasn't come into contact with religion and spirituality for the first few decades of his life, and now that you did, it's mesmerizing you. Spirituality is good, but it can't...
by Atla
Fri May 03, 2024 5:22 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 727
Views: 41887

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

"Higher" intelligence usually arrives at the conclusion that metaphysical authority isn't real, it's nowhere to be found except in the religious books. And higher intelligence usually has a harder time lying to itself, has a harder time pretending that the metaphysical authority exists on...
by Atla
Thu May 02, 2024 8:28 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 727
Views: 41887

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

The West has been moving away from religion and God (this supernatural "will") for a long time, why would it just turn around now? It is a good question to ask. My answer? Metaphysical authority is real — realness itself. To align with it is a choice of higher intelligence. That “moving a...