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Throughout history, it never even occured to 90%+ of people that morality could be anything other than objective. Such a concept, such a possibility didn't even exist for them. Wanting it / valuing it / searching for it, didn't enter the picture for them. Those people lived in little mud villages w...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:38 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:33 pm It's the 21st century, what about the countless people who think that taking life seriously includes not having a relationship with a non-existent creator?

What about them?

Yes what about them? Will religion be forced on them?

I think we have to go back to the very root of the founding of our civilization: it really does have to do with a realness of relationship with that which made us — i.e. our creator. It all depends on how serious one takes that — and life itself really. It's the 21st century, what about the countle...

Good thing Trump always cleans up all this leftist mess of the last few decades, mostly started by the Bush gove- ... hmm I'm kinda confused

Throughout history, it never even occured to 90%+ of people that morality could be anything other than objective. Such a concept, such a possibility didn't even exist for them. Wanting it / valuing it / searching for it, didn't enter the picture for them.

Mathemathical axiom: "necessary existence is a positive property" P(NE)

This is the kind of axiom I can just keep staring at, and I don't even know how to come up with a framework in which I can start to address how much this does not compute

That's a pathetic answer, roy. You don't get the TRUTH, but I'll help you out. You have to stop thinking by shutting down your neocortex, let the reptilian brain handle things from there. Developing NPD or something similar, by doing so. Once you are a pure non-thinking malignant narcissist, nothin...

And how do you suppose your theory/philosophy, whatever you want to call it, is going to make the world a better place? It is revealing the singular fundamental source of all problems and suffering, and the cure. The cure is to silence thought. The voice in consciousness is deceiving you and all of...

Still the greatest philosopher of all time. Never mind that, but why is his billiard table deep neon blue? It's royal purple. And how much pool have you played? Is there any reason why it shouldn't be the color it is (it couldn't possibly be any other color and if you knew as much as you think you ...

His analogy gets even more wrong when we consider that life is seen as negentropic. (At the expense of the entropy of the environment.)

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:22 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 4:16 pm You haven't ever actually looked up "heat-death" prior to this discussion, have you.

Well, somebody hasn't. That much is pretty clear.

Still nothing about the actual end / actual death of the universe, in case of heat death. Keep looking.

It's a final, eternal state. Not an actual end, not an actual death. :roll: If you knew anything about the term "heat death," you'd know it's a metaphor...and not one I invented, but one in common use in science. It was invented by Lord Kelvin (yes, that "kelvin") in 1851. You'v...

I see you don't know the term. Britannica can help. "The example of a heat engine illustrates one of the many ways in which the second law of thermodynamics can be applied...if the universe is an isolated system, then its entropy too must increase with time. Indeed, the implication is that the...

Yes, it would: entropy shows there's a finite amount of order in the universe, and that it's declining at a measurable, predictable rate. In other words, decay happens. Unless something of miraculous and super-scientific provenance intervenes to interrupt or reverse entropy, the universe will predi...

Right. So your claim I'm lying is obviously...untrue. :shock: You do believe in entropy, and that means that there is empirical evidence that the universe had a beginning and empirical evidence that it will have an end. No, it's simply a blatant lie from you that increase in entropy means that we h...