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by lpdev
Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:41 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Defining the core of language
Replies: 79
Views: 10696

Re: Defining the core of language

Dogs do learn to associate trigger words with percepts*** and some of us would argue, with concepts. So 'walkies' triggers the perception of pleasant anticipation. Not only are words triggers for dogs' reactions but also other signs such as getting the lead off the hook, the dog on the sofa hearing...
by lpdev
Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:18 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Defining the core of language
Replies: 79
Views: 10696

Re: Defining the core of language

Why can't the social situation provide the context? If every time something happens it is accompanied by the same words then the word will be associated with the event. For example if they hear 'walk' before every occasion they go out, they will associate the word and the activity. But they need no...
by lpdev
Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:16 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Defining the core of language
Replies: 79
Views: 10696

Re: Defining the core of language

They will have some inclination, because they hear a word used in a particular context, otherwise they would not use it. But the nuances of meaning can only be learnt by attempts to communicate. For example, you might have the idea that 'hot' can be used to describe people. But 'hot' when used abou...
by lpdev
Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:14 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Defining the core of language
Replies: 79
Views: 10696

Re: Defining the core of language

How does the child know that 'warm' is a description of the temperature? If I am told the cup is 'warm' I cannot know whether that word might describe the weight of the cup, the taste of the contents, that it might spill, or anything else. I would only learn the correct use of 'warm' by using the w...
by lpdev
Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:38 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Defining the core of language
Replies: 79
Views: 10696

Re: Defining the core of language

What the child would be learning would be something like "Here comes that funny man " or maybe "I like this lady's white jeans " and so on. Or some such learning that you didn't intend at all.Young children learn from social situations. I mean that the young child learns from others what is appropr...
by lpdev
Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:29 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Defining the core of language
Replies: 79
Views: 10696

Re: Defining the core of language

Ipdev wrote: I'm not talking about social or dangerous situations, Me neither. I tried to explain to you how young children always live and learn. They learn by play and by imitation, not by ostensive definitions however well expressed. We agree then that they do not learn by definitions thus it ha...
by lpdev
Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:21 am
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Defining the core of language
Replies: 79
Views: 10696

Re: Defining the core of language

ipdev wrote: “What would I tell a 5 year old child?”. Some words come down to experience. For example, you could explain time using the physical knowledge available, but very few 5 year old would probably understand that. But based on experience a child can understand what we mean with temperature ...
by lpdev
Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:23 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Defining the core of language
Replies: 79
Views: 10696

Re: Defining the core of language

While trying to understand what a core of language might be, i try to orient myself with the rhetorical question “What would I tell a 5 year old child?”. Some words come down to experience. For example, you could explain time using the physical knowledge available, but very few 5 year old would prob...
by lpdev
Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:48 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Defining the core of language
Replies: 79
Views: 10696

Re: Defining the core of language

I agree that there are words whose meaning shift in time, but i totally disagree that all words do that. Now, i have to distinguish between two cases first. I will call it "the shifting of meaning" and "the shifting of syntax". The shifting of meaning is when a word gets a new meaning, the shifting ...
by lpdev
Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:03 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Defining the core of language
Replies: 79
Views: 10696

Re: Defining the core of language

@Viveka I meant that there are (at least) two ways to use the words "internal state" each having a different meaning. I could talk about the internal state of a human as an information system which would mean the state of his mind only or the internal state of a human as a physical object which woul...
by lpdev
Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:24 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Defining the core of language
Replies: 79
Views: 10696

Re: Defining the core of language

@Londoner If grammar is defined based on observations of how people use the language and it does not include the capability to transform a noun into a verb, or more generally a non conforming usage, then i would consider that an error on the part of the people who defined that grammar. Their grammar...
by lpdev
Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:46 am
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Defining the core of language
Replies: 79
Views: 10696

Re: Defining the core of language

@Londoner I would not see language as a single system but rather a central system that can be extended. Back when words like "plane" or "car" didn't exist, English already was a language. Therefore many nouns can be removed without changing the nature of a language, meaning it's grammar and probably...
by lpdev
Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:24 am
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Defining the core of language
Replies: 79
Views: 10696

Re: Defining the core of language

Reading your answer it dawned on me that i have two things i would call internal state. There is the state of an object and the state of an agent. In physics they talk about the state of a system but i'm not clear if you would call the position and velocity of an object as part of it's state. I thin...
by lpdev
Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:26 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Defining the core of language
Replies: 79
Views: 10696

Defining the core of language

If you read any definition worded in any dictionary you of course encounter new words. If you read up these words you end up with another set of words etc... But at some point, the definitions start to refer to each other and do not build on the definitions of other words anymore. If i talk about th...
by lpdev
Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:25 pm
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Hello, i'm interested in discussing discusson
Replies: 11
Views: 1656

Re: Hello, i'm interested in discussing discusson

Well, a hammer is a tool and it is known that any tool can be used in a constructive or destructive manner. Anything that can be constructed can also be deconstructed. Your guy forgot the constructive part of what the hammer can do. On the other hand, if you define a word too closely, you end up wit...