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by Peter Holmes
Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:08 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9895
Views: 1050808

Re: What could make morality objective?

Morality is off topic to the original point. What you pointed out to PH is the existence of language games and intersubjectivity which is the basis of objectivity within a FSRC. It has to be a FSRC and nothing else. Once again, notice the contradiction. You agree that humans 'play' language games; ...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:59 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9895
Views: 1050808

Re: What could make morality objective?

Off topic. I have argued elsewhere ... That is your problem. Denying morality has an emotional element is why everything you say about morality is shit Morality is off topic to the original point. What you pointed out to PH is the existence of language games and intersubjectivity which is the basis...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:45 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9895
Views: 1050808

Re: What could make morality objective?

You don't answer my questions, so here they are again: If to construct a model of reality (an 'FSRC') is to construct reality, then of what is the model a model? And if all we can know about reality are the models we construct, how can we construct them in the first place? And how can we assess and...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:55 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9895
Views: 1050808

Re: What could make morality objective?

Perhaps we all agree that correspondence theories of truth are incorrect. For example, there's no correspondence between the factual assertion 'water is H2O' and the feature of reality that it asserts. For a start, a name no more corresponds with what it names than an arrow corresponds with its tar...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Apr 11, 2024 4:46 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9895
Views: 1050808

Re: What could make morality objective?

Perhaps we all agree that correspondence theories of truth are incorrect. For example, there's no correspondence between the factual assertion 'water is H2O' and the feature of reality that it asserts. For a start, a name no more corresponds with what it names than an arrow corresponds with its targ...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Apr 11, 2024 5:37 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9895
Views: 1050808

Re: What could make morality objective?

Because it is 'human-based' deductively, whatever follows, i.e. realization of reality and cognition [knowledge] of reality cannot be absolute independent of the human conditions [as you are claiming]. Well, who'd have thunk it? Human 'realisation' (?) and knowledge of reality cannot be independent...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:29 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9895
Views: 1050808

Re: What could make morality objective?

Just one little moral fact. One little moral feature of reality that is or was the case, regardless of opinion. If morality is objective, that shouldn't be hard. But we get nothing.
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:06 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9895
Views: 1050808

Re: What could make morality objective?

I never assumed nor said otherwise. To repeat, also, I have already agreed with and accepted your definition here. So, why are you repeating what you are here? Did you forget, did you not comprehend, or has something else occured here? Also, let us not forget that I have already pointed out that th...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:57 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9895
Views: 1050808

Re: What could make morality objective?

A few hundred years ago it was an objective fact that water was one of the only four elements in the universe. I am pretty sure that in a thousands years from now "water = H2O" is going to look equally ridiculous. "Water = H2O Fulfills all the current scientific norms and by agreemen...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:53 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9895
Views: 1050808

Re: What could make morality objective?

You are just digging yourself in your own hole. So, you have no counter to my comments. And that's fine. When in a hole... What you say here is fundamentally incorrect - and fashionable nonsense: 'No. "water is H2O" is not a fact of reality. It is a fact of our scientific culture, and onl...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:30 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9895
Views: 1050808

Re: What could make morality objective?

What could, and does, make morality is the exact same thing that could, and does, makes absolutely every thing else objective. Does anyone here know what makes any thing objective? See, once one also learns and understands how objectivity is obtained, then they too will be able to also see crystal ...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 10, 2024 9:19 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9895
Views: 1050808

Re: What could make morality objective?

Is there any thing that exists [by itself] regardless of humans? NO! Every thing that existed before humans evolved - for billions of years - obviously existed [by itself] regardless of humans. So this question is fantastically stupid. And the claim that, had humans not evolved, nothing would exist...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:47 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9895
Views: 1050808

Re: What could make morality objective?

This is just nomination and tautology. Nothing to do with objectivity and subjectivity, except to the degree that people have agreed upo the convention of calling water H2O. Other opinons may differ. eau no they don't . eau yes they DO!! I disagree. There is a substance in the universe which is a c...
by Peter Holmes
Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:51 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9895
Views: 1050808

Re: What could make morality objective?

Objectivity can only be attributed to a relationship , not the thing in itself. Whether a thing is objective or subjective talks to the relationship between the observer and the observed. Subjective is when we make comments about or apprend something and make it subject to our point of view. Object...
by Peter Holmes
Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:52 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9895
Views: 1050808

Re: What could make morality objective?

What could, and does, make morality is the exact same thing that could, and does, makes absolutely every thing else objective. Does anyone here know what makes any thing objective? See, once one also learns and understands how objectivity is obtained, then they too will be able to also see crystal ...