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by Peter Holmes
Mon May 06, 2024 12:38 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9825
Views: 899514

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Again, your what is fact is grounded on an illusion. You have been running away and not countering my argument. PH's What is Fact is Illusory https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39577 I have stated your 'what is fact' is outdated, here is the generally accepted meaning of what i...
by Peter Holmes
Mon May 06, 2024 6:50 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9964
Views: 1100436

Re: What could make morality objective?

Arguments against moral objectivism 2 The logic of moral arguments For (classical) deductive validity, a conclusion cannot contain information not present in the premise or premises of an argument. Therefore, even if they are true, non-moral premises cannot entail moral conclusions. A moral conclus...
by Peter Holmes
Mon May 06, 2024 6:06 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9825
Views: 899514

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

If there are facts [even if there are no facts], opinions, beliefs and judgment of them do translate into real actions. There are physical moral facts within all humans and you, e.g. the fact that 'all humans do not torture and kill babies for pleasure' which is represent by its physical neural cor...
by Peter Holmes
Sun May 05, 2024 4:01 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9825
Views: 899514

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

If there are facts [even if there are no facts], opinions, beliefs and judgment of them do translate into real actions. There are physical moral facts within all humans and you, e.g. the fact that 'all humans do not torture and kill babies for pleasure' which is represent by its physical neural cor...
by Peter Holmes
Sun May 05, 2024 3:24 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9964
Views: 1100436

Re: What could make morality objective?

Have you even read his argument? How to be a Moral Realist? Boyd https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240034001_How_to_Be_a_Moral_Realist No. Your summary is enough to dismiss it. Or didn't you describe it correctly? In the intro for the paper Boyd wrote "It will not be my aim here to esta...
by Peter Holmes
Sun May 05, 2024 11:26 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9825
Views: 899514

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Oh, I see. And we may be talking at cross purposes. My point is, if there are facts of any kind, then opinions about them are irrelevant. Iow, we can and do have our own opinions, but we can't have our own facts. For example, is physics 'subjective' in the way you say morality is? If there are fact...
by Peter Holmes
Sun May 05, 2024 11:15 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9964
Views: 1100436

Re: What could make morality objective?

So, a 'cluster of natural properties' constitutes what we call health, or being healthy. What 'cluster of natural properties' constitutes what we call moral rightness/wrongness, or goodness/badness, being morally right/wrong, etc? This is a false analogy. Have you even read his argument? How to be ...
by Peter Holmes
Sun May 05, 2024 10:26 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9964
Views: 1100436

Re: What could make morality objective?

Boyd: How to be a Moral Realist https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29683 Boyd claimed moral facts exist in parallel to scientific facts. His basis is that of Homeostatic property-cluster For example 'health' [healthiness] is an objective fact represented by a cluster of natural...
by Peter Holmes
Sun May 05, 2024 9:58 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9964
Views: 1100436

Re: What could make morality objective?

I have given you a long list of counters to your argument. Just show me one where you have solidly countered my argument. Whatever mistakes you think I have committed is based the grounding of your reality on an illusion. Kant's supposedly anti-realist claim - that 'the human mind' constructs reali...
by Peter Holmes
Sun May 05, 2024 8:03 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9964
Views: 1100436

Re: What could make morality objective?

Arguments against moral objectivism Following the preliminaries in my previous post, here's the first of my inter-related arguments. 1 The existence of moral facts Moral objectivism is the claim that there are moral facts – moral things, properties or events - that are or were the case, regardless ...
by Peter Holmes
Sun May 05, 2024 7:52 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9964
Views: 1100436

Re: What could make morality objective?

I've been accused of failing to provide any rational argument for my moral anti-objectivism. So, picking up Flash's strategy of setting out an argument sequentially, here's part 1 of a paper I've published: 'Arguments against moral objectivism' - dealing with preliminaries. Any pushback would be we...
by Peter Holmes
Sun May 05, 2024 7:43 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9825
Views: 899514

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Even if there were moral facts, there would still be subjective moral opinions, so these things aren't mutually exclusive. As I say, I think we all know about subjective morality, so it would be more interesting -I think- to explore how there could even be such things as objective moral truths. Oh,...
by Peter Holmes
Sat May 04, 2024 2:50 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9964
Views: 1100436

Re: What could make morality objective?

I've been accused of failing to provide any rational argument for my moral anti-objectivism. So, picking up Flash's strategy of setting out an argument sequentially, here's part 1 of a paper I've published: 'Arguments against moral objectivism' - dealing with preliminaries. Any pushback would be wel...
by Peter Holmes
Sat May 04, 2024 2:25 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9825
Views: 899514

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I think the project of explaining where our moral values and codes come from - 'filling the actual gap' - is important. So I'm following your developing argument with interest. I think the title of your thread, "Is morality objective or subjective?", is a bit problematic; it leaves the qu...
by Peter Holmes
Sat May 04, 2024 1:07 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9825
Views: 899514

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Pete is unusual mainly in that he seems content to argue the basic sceptical point without feeling any particular need to fill in the gap created by that doubt. The question for him, in this thread anyway, doesn't stray from "is morality subjective or objective?" to other questions such a...