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- Fri May 24, 2024 9:59 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
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Re: What could make morality objective?
VA says his claims and argument are nuanced, subtle, profound and sublime. Here are some crude, obvious, mundane and tawdry points in response. 1 If all is illusion, then we humans are illusions, and reality is an illusion experienced by illusions. 2 If all is illusion, then there's no perspective f...
- Thu May 23, 2024 3:27 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 10083
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Re: What could make morality objective?
So your main premise fails. And your ridiculous conclusion about morality is not worth bothering with. My point is there is no reality that is absolutely independent of the human conditions. It is not 'for there to be reality' there MUST be humans; rather 'reality emerges with the human condition' ...
- Thu May 23, 2024 7:28 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Logic can be symbolic... But ordinarily, it occurs in complete propositions... You probably meant to say that symbolic logic substitutes non-verbal signs, such as the variables p and q, for declarative clauses, in order to generalise relationships between assertions. Did you not read? I said "...
- Thu May 23, 2024 6:37 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 10083
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Re: What could make morality objective?
For there to be reality, there are three phases of the FSERC, 1. the emergence [ human-based ] of reality 2. the realization [ human based ] of reality 3. the human-based perception, cognition, know and describe reality 1 #1 is meaningless drivel. The universe began and evolved without humans, so r...
- Wed May 22, 2024 9:04 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 10109
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Logic can be symbolic... But ordinarily, it occurs in complete propositions... You probably meant to say that symbolic logic substitutes non-verbal signs, such as the variables p and q, for declarative clauses, in order to generalise relationships between assertions. But the important point is what...
- Wed May 22, 2024 6:18 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 10109
- Views: 934417
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
You're confusing logic with language . No, I'm not. 'A logic deals with language' does not identify the two. Good. Then logic is not "language." Logic uses language or symbols to work out propositions in valid ways. Language can exist without conforming to logic. False. Any declarative us...
- Wed May 22, 2024 5:05 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 10109
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
A logic deals with language: what can be said consistently, without contradiction. You're confusing logic with language . No, I'm not. 'A logic deals with language' does not identify the two. Try to read carefully. Language can exist without conforming to logic. False. Any declarative use of langua...
- Wed May 22, 2024 12:56 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 10083
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Re: What could make morality objective?
Things can and do exist independently from humans. They did exist before humans turned up. They would have existed had humans not turned up. And they will exist when humans are gone. You are making the above without being able to prove it independent of humans. How can there be any proofs of existe...
- Wed May 22, 2024 9:22 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 10109
- Views: 934417
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Nobody said "Mathematical objects are real," so you'll have to take that up with somebody who thinks it. What was said was simply that mathematics has a highly-applicable correspondence to the real world (most apparent in things like physics, chemistry and engineering, for example, but tr...
- Tue May 21, 2024 8:08 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 10109
- Views: 934417
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Mathematics is a language. Only Platonists think mathematical objects are real. Nobody said "Mathematical objects are real," so you'll have to take that up with somebody who thinks it. What was said was simply that mathematics has a highly-applicable correspondence to the real world (most...
- Tue May 21, 2024 12:38 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 10083
- Views: 1125737
Re: What could make morality objective?
Things cannot exist by themselves independent of the human factor. Nonsense. Things can and do exist independently from humans. They did exist before humans turned up. They would have existed had humans not turned up. And they will exist when humans are gone. And you know damn well this is true. Bu...
- Tue May 21, 2024 12:07 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 10109
- Views: 934417
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Mathematics is a language. Only Platonists think mathematical objects are real. And a logic deals with language, not a reality outside language. So a cosmological argument from mathematics or logic is unsound. Mistaking what we say for the way things are is the beginning of philosophical confusion. ...
- Tue May 21, 2024 7:04 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 10083
- Views: 1125737
Re: What could make morality objective?
It is based on your illusory philosophical realism that you reason there must be a real noumena that is represented by the real phenomena. Have a look at these two assertions: 1 There is no distinction between noumena and phenomena. The dichotomy doesn't exist. 2 Philosophical realism is belief in ...
- Mon May 20, 2024 12:06 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 10083
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Re: What could make morality objective?
Kant didn't view the mind as a separate, non-physical substance. Nor does indirect realism. Where do you have this random obsession from? Phew. So the transcendental ego is a physical thing that transcends mere sense data, as is the mind that experiences mental representations of reality, rather th...
- Mon May 20, 2024 9:27 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 10083
- Views: 1125737
Re: What could make morality objective?
Now, answer this question: If there are no noumena, then of what are phenomena phenomena? Or consider this: If there are no things-in-themselves, then appearances are not appearances of things-in-themselves. Or try this: What does a transcendental ego transcend? You haven't begun to think criticall...