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by Peter Holmes
Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:17 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9041
Views: 718590

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

You'll have to be more specific: what particular evidence do you regard as compelling for the Koran? Don't be obtuse. You said, foolishly, that evidence that is refused is still evidence. I'm not. I'd forgotten how dishonestly you conduct these discussions. You said: 'Evidence that is refused is st...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:20 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9041
Views: 718590

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Evidence that is refused is still evidence. Reality does not alter if one simply refused to acknowledge it. You'll find out that morality is the same. So the evidence of Qur'anic revelation that you refuse is still evidence? :roll: You'll have to be more specific: what particular evidence do you re...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Mar 18, 2024 5:53 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9041
Views: 718590

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

And yet, the evidence is exactly what H. and I are discussing. Yes. And, as I recall, the evidence you offer for the existence of your team's universe-creating god is: the universe, morality, revelation and Jesus. These don't constitute evidence for the cause of the universe, or the nature of the c...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:07 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9041
Views: 718590

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

A causal explanation with no evidence for the existence of the cause, or the nature of the causal mechanism, is no explanation at all. And yet, the evidence is exactly what H. and I are discussing. Yes. And, as I recall, the evidence you offer for the existence of your team's universe-creating god ...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:41 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9752
Views: 1024969

Re: What could make morality objective?

You claim to have set out 'the generally accepted criteria any rational person would readily accept' in assessing and comparing models of reality. I still feel it's worth noting that there is no rational person who accepts any of it. The only person who doesn't think it's entirely stupid is the one...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:38 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9041
Views: 718590

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

A causal explanation with no evidence for the existence of the cause, or the nature of the causal mechanism, is no explanation at all. For example, the claim that the universe is evidence for the existence of a god that caused it is completely irrational. It could just as reasonably be evidence for ...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:41 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9752
Views: 1024969

Re: What could make morality objective?

I don't see the sort of crude circularity from traditional logic is applicable to the above. In the case of assessing the credibility and objective of each FSRC, that is based on the generally accepted criteria any rational person would readily accept. And here's the rub. You invoke 'the generally ...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:19 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9752
Views: 1024969

Re: What could make morality objective?

Read the post I responded to you earlier .. https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?p=702182#p702182 I have already explained and linked it [& related threads] a "million" times. What is a Framework and System of Knowledge? https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:46 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9752
Views: 1024969

Re: What could make morality objective?

I have already explained the above in many posts and on how to do it without begging the question. Off hand, based on your own intuitive assessment, can you give me what other FSRCs [besides mathematics the 2nd most objective] can possibly be more credible and objective than the scientific FSRC as ...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:02 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9752
Views: 1024969

Re: What could make morality objective?

VA. Why is the scientific 'framework and system of reality and cognition' (FSRC) 'the gold standard' with regard to credibility and reliability? And how can we know it is? By what criteria? Please explain this without appealing to another FSRC, because that would be a circular or infinite regress a...
by Peter Holmes
Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:32 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9752
Views: 1024969

Re: What could make morality objective?

VA. Why is the scientific 'framework and system of reality and cognition' (FSRC) 'the gold standard' with regard to credibility and reliability? And how can we know it is? By what criteria? Please explain this without appealing to another FSRC, because that would be a circular or infinite regress ar...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Mar 16, 2024 2:13 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9752
Views: 1024969

Re: What could make morality objective?

Also - what is it that makes one KFC more credible and reliable than another anyway? VA has never explained this. I think the ranking nonsense is a distraction from the main issue, which is: why do the natural sciences provide the most credible and reliable knowledge of reality? The silly KFC theor...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:07 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Moral Relativists Should Tolerate Moral Realism
Replies: 27
Views: 315

Re: Moral Relativists Should Tolerate Moral Realism

1 The main claim of descriptive moral relativism is obviously true. 2 To reject moral objectivism - the claim that there are moral facts - is not to accept meta-ethical or normative moral relativism or moral nihilism. This supposed choice or dichotomy amounts to two sides of the same counterfeit coin.
by Peter Holmes
Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:36 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9752
Views: 1024969

Re: What could make morality objective?

Also - what is it that makes one KFC more credible and reliable than another anyway? VA has never explained this. I think the ranking nonsense is a distraction from the main issue, which is: why do the natural sciences provide the most credible and reliable knowledge of reality? The silly KFC theory...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Mar 14, 2024 3:37 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Social Constructivism
Replies: 16
Views: 240

Re: Social Constructivism

It may be argued that the view, if taken literally, entails a counter-intuitive form of backward causation to the effect that, for instance, the scientific facts about dinosaur anatomy 50 million years ago were caused in the 20th century when a scientific consensus about dinosaur anatomy was formed...