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- Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:37 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
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Re: What could make morality objective?
Indirect realism has already beaten transcendental idalism maybe a century ago of course, so this isn't anything new. I just didn't know accurately enough what VA and Kant meant by transcendental idealism (and how VA misunderstood Kant), and VA didn't understand anything about anything and still do...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:36 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
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Re: What could make morality objective?
Okay. I can't remember how the indirect realism v transcendental idealism discussion developed - for which, apologies. I may have a look back and trace it. Indirect realism has already beaten transcendental idalism maybe a century ago of course, so this isn't anything new. I just didn't know accura...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:36 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
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Re: What could make morality objective?
Has this Wittgenstein guy ever said anything substantial, anything groundbreaking? It's a pretty bad sign when you start arguing against your former philosophy, if you don't get philosophy right the first time, chances are you won't get it right the second time either. Okay. There's no need to give...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:45 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
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Re: What could make morality objective?
How to sharpen up VA's argument? Premise: We humans have to perceive, know and describe reality in human ways. (Note: This sentence is a description of a feature of reality, or a state-of-affairs. And it has a truth-value.) Conclusion: Therefore, reality is nothing more than the ways we humans perc...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:36 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 9920
- Views: 1063268
Re: What could make morality objective?
How to sharpen up VA's argument? Premise: We humans have to perceive, know and describe reality in human ways. (Note: This sentence is a description of a feature of reality, or a state-of-affairs. And it has a truth-value.) Conclusion: Therefore, reality is nothing more than the ways we humans perce...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:12 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
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Re: What could make morality objective?
P1 If X is morally wrong, then X is morally wrong.
P2 X is morally wrong.
C Therefore, X is morally wrong.
That's a slam-dunk.
P2 X is morally wrong.
C Therefore, X is morally wrong.
That's a slam-dunk.
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:51 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 9920
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Re: What could make morality objective?
Has this Wittgenstein guy ever said anything substantial, anything groundbreaking? It's a pretty bad sign when you start arguing against your former philosophy, if you don't get philosophy right the first time, chances are you won't get it right the second time either. Okay. There's no need to give...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:33 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9458
- Views: 814843
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
If it's a false dichotomy, you should have no problem at all showing that it is. Explain, then, why a subjectivist has any justification to condemn or advocate somebody else's actions, with no appeal to moral objectivity. You have a go. I cannot make your argument for you. I see its falsity. If it ...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:19 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9458
- Views: 814843
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Peddling the same false dichotomy, the same counterfeit coin. Boring. If it's a false dichotomy, you should have no problem at all showing that it is. Explain, then, why a subjectivist has any justification to condemn or advocate somebody else's actions, with no appeal to moral objectivity. You hav...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:20 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9458
- Views: 814843
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
You'd better include more data, I would say. First, you'd have to know that the right solution for God to adopt would be to prevent all evil/wickedness/immorality from happening, before it could happen. That is, you'd have to know that a world with no evil in it was, in every way, preferable to one...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:42 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9458
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
To repeat. IC's theistic moral objectivism amounts to the following valid syllogism. (IC likes syllogisms.) P1 If my team's god says X is morally right/wrong, then (it's a fact that) X is morally right/wrong. P2 My team's god says X is morally right/wrong. C Therefore, (it's a fact that) X is morall...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:17 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9458
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
If I have the power to prevent an immoral/wicked/evil act, and I don't prevent it, then I am immoral/wicked/evil. And, of course, moral objectivists agree. But IC's team believes its god has that power - but worships it as the source of all goodness. Moral conclusion? You'd better include more data...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:40 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 9920
- Views: 1063268
Re: What could make morality objective?
You insist my argument is realist[P] when to me it is not. Therefrom you rely on your misunderstanding to condemn what you think is my argument [i.e. p-realist]. If that is not a strawman fallacy, then what it is. No, I'm not distorting your argument. I'm showing why it is, in fact, philosophically...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:27 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
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Re: What could make morality objective?
Just come across 'Filos O'Fickle Papers' at Amazon - and I find I agree with almost everything in it.
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:57 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9458
- Views: 814843
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
If I have the power to prevent an immoral/wicked/evil act, and I don't prevent it, then I am immoral/wicked/evil. And, of course, moral objectivists agree. But IC's team believes its god has that power - but worships it as the source of all goodness. Moral conclusion? Good job IC's team's god is an ...