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by Peter Holmes
Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:12 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 5026
Views: 285604

Re: What could make morality objective?

It's a fact that water is H2O. Objectively speaking, water is H2O. It's true that water is H2O. Those are assertions with a demonstrable truth-value. They claim something about reality that is or isn't the case. And because it demonstrably is the case, these factual assertions are true. Now do the s...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:12 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 5026
Views: 285604

Re: What could make morality objective?

Sorry. Posted twice.
by Peter Holmes
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:04 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 5026
Views: 285604

Re: What could make morality objective?

The expression 'a true objective fact' is a complete mess. Could there be a false fact, or a subjective fact?

It's because what we call truth, facts and objectivity are what we say they are - that our saying an assertion is true doesn't mean it must be true - or even that it's factual at all.
by Peter Holmes
Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:53 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Conversion of Opinions and Beliefs into Knowledge
Replies: 10
Views: 63

Re: Conversion of Opinions and Beliefs into Knowledge

I wonder why it is so difficult for anyone to understand how opinions and beliefs are converted into knowledge via specific institutions or framework and system of knowledge [FSK]. Here is a discussion on the issue; You had claimed that opinions/beliefs somehow become something other than opinions/...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:09 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 5026
Views: 285604

Re: What could make morality objective?

Here is VA's claim: '...everything that was, is and will be the case in the universe CANNOT exist independently of the human conditions.' VA thinks this justifies the claim that morality is objective - that there are moral facts. Perhaps this is the argument: All facts - all features of reality - d...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:06 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 5026
Views: 285604

Re: What could make morality objective?

Here is VA's claim: '...everything that was, is and will be the case in the universe CANNOT exist independently of the human conditions.' VA thinks this justifies the claim that morality is objective - that there are moral facts. Perhaps this is the argument: All facts - all features of reality - de...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:45 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 2013
Views: 62350

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

My main contention re morality is that there are moral reality [physical and mental] and truths within morality-proper[as defined] which is to counter Peter's OP, So here are your factual assertions: 1 There is a physical and mental moral reality. 2 There is a 'morality-proper' (as defined). 3 Ther...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:14 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 2013
Views: 62350

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I tried to encourage him to not see philosophy as "playing stupid," which is what unfortunately a lot of people online seem to think is the gist of it (although it seems mostly engineering types who think this for some reason--but there are a ton of those folks talking about philosophy online), but...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:22 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 2013
Views: 62350

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

You agree with the moral principle that no person should have the right to use another person's body without that person's consent. Yes, I do. A man belongs to himself. His life, liberty, and property are his. And, in my opinion, that principle trumps any special pleading exceptions. So abortion ri...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:15 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 2013
Views: 62350

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

In my opinion, no person should have the right to use another person's body without that person's consent. I agree. But, in the case of pregnancy, a person didn't come along and say I'm climbin' in and usin' you, like it or not ...no, a man and woman engaged in behavior guaranteed to cause concepti...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:31 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 2013
Views: 62350

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

And under my regime, respect for liberty would include women's control over their bodies and fertility. Right up to the end of week 12 she can as she likes. But she can't off a person without just cause...no one can, and -- by the end of week 12 -- wha she carries is a person. And respect for prope...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:01 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Mathematics as A Clue to Moral Realism
Replies: 23
Views: 189

Re: Mathematics as A Clue to Moral Realism

In that case you need to adjust your position on abortion. You have written that it is wrong, or whatever half arsed alternative to wrongness your "morality-proper" offers today. But all modern sovereign nations have decriminalised it and it is increasingly common therefore there must be an inheren...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:57 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 2013
Views: 62350

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I assume you think...your regime would be beneficent. My regime...that's funny...you made a funny... 👍 Yep, my regime would be beneficent for those who respect individual life, liberty, and property...not so much for those who don't. And under my regime, respect for liberty would include women's co...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:43 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 2013
Views: 62350

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I assume you think...your regime would be beneficent. My regime...that's funny...you made a funny... 👍 Yep, my regime would be beneficent for those who respect individual life, liberty, and property...not so much for those who don't. And under my regime, respect for liberty would include women's co...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:32 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Are there .5% or 35 million Active Killers at Present?
Replies: 313
Views: 2559

Re: Are there .5% or 35 million Active Killers at Present?

The premises or axioms or goals of a moral system can only ever be matters of choice. Any fact proposed as a premise - such as a fact of human nature - can't entail or induce a moral conclusion, without begging the question. For these reasons, morality can't be objective. There are no moral facts, ...