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by Peter Holmes
Sat May 11, 2024 10:35 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10008
Views: 1109487

Re: What could make morality objective?

Reasons for moral objectivism I suggest that moral objectivism – belief that there are moral facts – has two main sources, as follows. Many or most of us care - even deeply - about our moral values, judgements and opinions. They form an important part of our lives and attitudes towards how we and o...
by Peter Holmes
Sat May 11, 2024 8:33 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10008
Views: 1109487

Re: What could make morality objective?

Arguments against moral objectivism 6 Theistic moral objectivism The following is a valid generalised argument for moral objectivity. P1 If agent A says X is morally right/wrong, then (it’s a fact that) X is morally right/wrong. P2 Agent A says X is morally right/wrong. C Therefore, (it’s a fact th...
by Peter Holmes
Sat May 11, 2024 8:21 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10008
Views: 1109487

Re: What could make morality objective?

Arguments against moral objectivism 5 Anti-realist arguments for moral objectivity Anti-realist arguments sometimes have the following form. We humans necessarily perceive, know and describe reality in human ways. Therefore, either we can never know what reality really is, or there is no such thing...
by Peter Holmes
Sat May 11, 2024 6:42 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 10026
Views: 919680

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

No, I propose a premise that entails a conclusion. There are no so-called abstract things - forms or (to update the myth) concepts - so philosophy - 'the love of wisdom from knowledge and critical thinking' - doesn't and can't deal with them. Instead, it deals with the ways we do or could use some ...
by Peter Holmes
Fri May 10, 2024 9:49 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10008
Views: 1109487

Re: What could make morality objective?

Arguments against moral objectivism 5 Anti-realist arguments for moral objectivity Anti-realist arguments sometimes have the following form. We humans necessarily perceive, know and describe reality in human ways. Therefore, either we can never know what reality really is, or there is no such thing...
by Peter Holmes
Fri May 10, 2024 9:43 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10008
Views: 1109487

Re: What could make morality objective?

Your whole argument is a sham. First we need to define 'what is morality & ethics'. Morality is the management of evil to enable its related good to manifest. Then we need to define 'what is evil'. We need a specific list of what is deemed evil. For example, "humans killing of humans"...
by Peter Holmes
Fri May 10, 2024 9:31 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 10026
Views: 919680

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

You are really lost in philosophy. With philosophy we cannot be too loose, but it is critical to establish objectivity for the above major branches of philosophy so it will not be a free for all. So here's your argument: for philosophy to be serious, it must be objective - it must deal with facts. ...
by Peter Holmes
Fri May 10, 2024 8:11 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 10026
Views: 919680

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Here is an example of how a non-moral fact when inputted into a moral FSERC generate a moral fact. I have posted examples [somewhere -got to search] how one FSERC fact when inputted into another contribute to generate a fact in another FSERC fact. Here is one example .. Another example, is the weat...
by Peter Holmes
Fri May 10, 2024 6:32 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 10026
Views: 919680

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Here is an example of how a non-moral fact when inputted into a moral FSERC generate a moral fact. I have posted examples [somewhere -got to search] how one FSERC fact when inputted into another contribute to generate a fact in another FSERC fact. Here is one example .. Another example, is the weat...
by Peter Holmes
Fri May 10, 2024 6:16 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10008
Views: 1109487

Re: What could make morality objective?

Arguments against moral objectivism 4 Instrumentality or goal-consistency arguments The claim ‘action B is consistent with goal A’ is not a moral assertion, because it says nothing about moral rightness or wrongness. The claim ‘if we want goal A, then we ought to do action B’ is not a moral asserti...
by Peter Holmes
Fri May 10, 2024 6:13 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10008
Views: 1109487

Re: What could make morality objective?

Alexiev wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 3:46 am Sorry, Alexiev. I responded to you by mistake.
by Peter Holmes
Thu May 09, 2024 8:22 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 10026
Views: 919680

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Bollocks. You don't understand the how a deductive argument works. I recommend a logic 101 course or simple text. Here's your invalid and unsound argument. P1 X is a moral issue. P2 To reduce the incidence of X is to resolve this moral issue. C Therefore, in the case of X, morality is objective. Th...
by Peter Holmes
Thu May 09, 2024 7:56 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10008
Views: 1109487

Re: What could make morality objective?

Arguments against moral objectivism 4 Instrumentality or goal-consistency arguments The claim ‘action B is consistent with goal A’ is not a moral assertion, because it says nothing about moral rightness or wrongness. The claim ‘if we want goal A, then we ought to do action B’ is not a moral asserti...
by Peter Holmes
Thu May 09, 2024 7:52 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10008
Views: 1109487

Re: What could make morality objective?

VA's claims. 1 There is no absolutely independent universe. (Philosophical anti-realism. What does this claim mean?) 2 Therefore, there is no absolutely independent universe, whether or not there are humans. (From 1.) But 3 If there are humans, the universe is only relatively independent from humans...
by Peter Holmes
Wed May 08, 2024 3:40 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10008
Views: 1109487

Re: What could make morality objective?

Arguments against moral objectivism 3 The subjectivity of goals That a goal for our actions is morally right or good is a matter of opinion, which is subjective. Our choice of goal – such as well-being, happiness, pleasure, fulfilment, or pleasing my team’s god - is a matter of opinion, which is su...