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- Sun May 19, 2024 10:27 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
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Re: What could make morality objective?
Here's VA's Kantian scenario. A bunch of transcendental egos sit around in illusory bodies, emitting illusory farts from the illusory decomposition in their illusory guts of a remarkably good but sadly illusory dinner, talking to each illusory other using illusory language, and coming to the illusor...
- Sun May 19, 2024 8:47 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
It is impossible for "things that just are the case" to exists as things-in-themselves... First there is no fixed mind-independent reality. Reality is always changing in relation to the human realization of reality. There is no mind independent reality-as-it-is... The antirealist [Kantian...
- Sat May 18, 2024 5:43 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
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Re: What could make morality objective?
I googled the expression you quoted: "non-physical objects that represent the physical world", but got zero results. Source? Try reading. It's in the first paragraph I quoted above. All things are "physical" in that sense, our internal mental phenomena are also "physical&qu...
- Sat May 18, 2024 4:46 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 10056
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Re: What could make morality objective?
Fun fact, one has to de-realize reality before one can accuse realists of reifying reality. Ultimately, reification and de-realization are two sides of the same coin. Once we have this issue out of the way by neither reifying nor de-realizing reality, what remains is the question of direct vs indir...
- Sat May 18, 2024 3:51 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 10072
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
It is impossible for "things that just are the case" to exists as things-in-themselves... First there is no fixed mind-independent reality. Reality is always changing in relation to the human realization of reality. There is no mind independent reality-as-it-is... The antirealist [Kantian...
- Sat May 18, 2024 3:06 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 10056
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Re: What could make morality objective?
Fun fact, one has to de-realize reality before one can accuse realists of reifying reality. Ultimately, reification and de-realization are two sides of the same coin. Once we have this issue out of the way by neither reifying nor de-realizing reality, what remains is the question of direct vs indir...
- Sat May 18, 2024 8:03 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 10056
- Views: 1120343
Re: What could make morality objective?
Here are four metaphysical assertions - assertions about reality. 1 We humans have to perceive, know and describe reality in human ways. 2 There is no reality beyond the ways we humans perceive, know and describe it. 3 Humans enable reality to emerge, then to be realized as real and then cognized, k...
- Fri May 17, 2024 4:23 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
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Re: What could make morality objective?
VA thinks my version of his P1 - 'we humans have to perceive, know and describe reality in human ways' - misrepresents it. And he denies the conclusion 'therefore, humans generate facts'. Instead, it's a 'system' that takes in inputs and generates outputs - conditioned facts, within a framework. So...
- Fri May 17, 2024 4:05 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
The once majority realist views, 1- the earth is flat 2- the Sun revolves the Earth were based on an evolutionary default, i.e. primal and primitive. Copernicus exposed the ignorance of those who believe in 2. Those primal and primitive evolutionary defaulted that still persist at present by the ma...
- Wed May 15, 2024 1:58 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
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Re: What could make morality objective?
VA thinks my version of his P1 - 'we humans have to perceive, know and describe reality in human ways' - misrepresents it. And he denies the conclusion 'therefore, humans generate facts'. Instead, it's a 'system' that takes in inputs and generates outputs - conditioned facts, within a framework. So ...
- Wed May 15, 2024 10:10 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 10072
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
It seems you are wrong on the grounds that too many people agree with you, Peter. :) Maybe it's a rare case where intersubjective consensus doesn't work. :D The once majority realist views, 1- the earth is flat 2- the Sun revolves the Earth were based on an evolutionary default, i.e. primal and pri...
- Wed May 15, 2024 5:48 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
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Re: What could make morality objective?
'Fact: a thing that [is known] to exist, or to have occurred, or to be true.' (Concise Oxford) I square-bracket 'is known', for two reasons. First, because expressions such as 'unknown facts', 'we need to establish the facts', 'we don't know all the facts about quantum reality', and so on, are coher...
- Tue May 14, 2024 8:48 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 10056
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Re: What could make morality objective?
Can a non-moral premise entail a moral conclusion? 1 Humans generate facts through frameworks and systems. (This is false.) 2 Any framework and system can generate facts. (This is false.) 3 A moral framework and system can generate facts. (This begs the question.) 4 A non-moral (eg scientific) fact...
- Tue May 14, 2024 6:34 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 10056
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Re: What could make morality objective?
Can a non-moral premise entail a moral conclusion? 1 Humans generate facts through frameworks and systems. (This is false.) 2 Any framework and system can generate facts. (This is false.) 3 A moral framework and system can generate facts. (This begs the question.) 4 A non-moral (eg scientific) fact...
- Mon May 13, 2024 8:28 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Maybe it's a rare case where intersubjective consensus doesn't work.Harbal wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 7:14 amIt seems you are wrong on the grounds that too many people agree with you, Peter.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 6:09 am
The fact is your realism view is a primal and primitive view driven by an evolutionary default, thus supported by the majority.