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by Peter Holmes
Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:33 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9447
Views: 807378

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

If it's a false dichotomy, you should have no problem at all showing that it is. Explain, then, why a subjectivist has any justification to condemn or advocate somebody else's actions, with no appeal to moral objectivity. You have a go. I cannot make your argument for you. I see its falsity. If it ...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:19 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9447
Views: 807378

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Peddling the same false dichotomy, the same counterfeit coin. Boring. If it's a false dichotomy, you should have no problem at all showing that it is. Explain, then, why a subjectivist has any justification to condemn or advocate somebody else's actions, with no appeal to moral objectivity. You hav...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:20 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9447
Views: 807378

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

You'd better include more data, I would say. First, you'd have to know that the right solution for God to adopt would be to prevent all evil/wickedness/immorality from happening, before it could happen. That is, you'd have to know that a world with no evil in it was, in every way, preferable to one...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:42 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9447
Views: 807378

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

To repeat. IC's theistic moral objectivism amounts to the following valid syllogism. (IC likes syllogisms.) P1 If my team's god says X is morally right/wrong, then (it's a fact that) X is morally right/wrong. P2 My team's god says X is morally right/wrong. C Therefore, (it's a fact that) X is morall...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:17 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9447
Views: 807378

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

If I have the power to prevent an immoral/wicked/evil act, and I don't prevent it, then I am immoral/wicked/evil. And, of course, moral objectivists agree. But IC's team believes its god has that power - but worships it as the source of all goodness. Moral conclusion? You'd better include more data...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:40 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1059646

Re: What could make morality objective?

You insist my argument is realist[P] when to me it is not. Therefrom you rely on your misunderstanding to condemn what you think is my argument [i.e. p-realist]. If that is not a strawman fallacy, then what it is. No, I'm not distorting your argument. I'm showing why it is, in fact, philosophically...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:27 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1059646

Re: What could make morality objective?

Just come across 'Filos O'Fickle Papers' at Amazon - and I find I agree with almost everything in it. :D
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:57 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9447
Views: 807378

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

If I have the power to prevent an immoral/wicked/evil act, and I don't prevent it, then I am immoral/wicked/evil. And, of course, moral objectivists agree. But IC's team believes its god has that power - but worships it as the source of all goodness. Moral conclusion? Good job IC's team's god is an ...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:23 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9447
Views: 807378

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

So. IC's team's god supposedly created and creates everything, including humans. And IC's team's god knows everything that will happen. So IC's team's god knows that quite a few of the human beings it supposedly creates will supposedly end up roasting in hell for all eternity, maybe just for the 'si...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:41 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1059646

Re: What could make morality objective?

Perhaps here's one form of the fallacy behind some forms of anti-realism: Each of us constructs reality 'in the mind', based on sense data. Therefore, reality is nothing more than each person's mental construct based on sense data. If it is, then the empiricist skepticism - and ultimately solipsism...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 17, 2024 1:21 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1059646

Re: What could make morality objective?

Perhaps here's one form of the fallacy behind some forms of anti-realism: Each of us constructs reality 'in the mind', based on sense data. Therefore, reality is nothing more than each person's mental construct based on sense data. If it is, then the empiricist skepticism - and ultimately solipsism ...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:43 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1059646

Re: What could make morality objective?

Strawman. Re W's language game principle, there no element of 'play per se'. It is just the game merely emerged spontaneously via human interactions in the case as in PI and On Certainty. W use the example of builders [construction] with their specific terminology. Where games are used literally, t...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:08 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1059646

Re: What could make morality objective?

Morality is off topic to the original point. What you pointed out to PH is the existence of language games and intersubjectivity which is the basis of objectivity within a FSRC. It has to be a FSRC and nothing else. Once again, notice the contradiction. You agree that humans 'play' language games; ...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:59 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1059646

Re: What could make morality objective?

Off topic. I have argued elsewhere ... That is your problem. Denying morality has an emotional element is why everything you say about morality is shit Morality is off topic to the original point. What you pointed out to PH is the existence of language games and intersubjectivity which is the basis...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:45 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1059646

Re: What could make morality objective?

You don't answer my questions, so here they are again: If to construct a model of reality (an 'FSRC') is to construct reality, then of what is the model a model? And if all we can know about reality are the models we construct, how can we construct them in the first place? And how can we assess and...