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by Peter Holmes
Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:26 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 4147
Views: 193579

Re: What could make morality objective?

Moral objectivist #1: Of course there are moral facts. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either wicked or insane. For example, of course abortion is morally wrong. And of course capital punishment and eating animals are not morally wrong. And this is for obvious reasons. Moral objectivist #2: Of course...
by Peter Holmes
Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:18 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 4147
Views: 193579

Re: What could make morality objective?

No, I am not talking about suffering in service of a greater good (e.g. a gym work out). I am talking about SUFFERING! This is so insane, I am LOL. I once listened to a lecture and the Professor commented that clinical depression is the worst disease he has ever seen. He has occasionally seen some ...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:56 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 4147
Views: 193579

Re: What could make morality objective?

Omer gerd: 1 So, if I understand you correctly, you believe that there are facts and values. Values are subjective and therefore they cannot be an objective morality. I will borrow a concept from Harris: The most suffering of all sentient beings for as long as possible vs the greatest sense of well...
by Peter Holmes
Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:00 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 4147
Views: 193579

Re: What could make morality objective?

1 I have a belief that there are 4 chairs in the next room. If do not lie, I may make an assertion that reflects my belief that there are 4 chairs in the next room. If my assertion corresponds with reality (i.e. there are 4 chairs in the next room) my assertion corresponds with reality and is true....
by Peter Holmes
Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:55 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 4147
Views: 193579

Re: What could make morality objective?

Factual assertions concern what "is". "Objective truth" with respect to factual assertions address whether the assertion corresponds with reality. If the assertion corresponds with reality, it is considered "true". Interestingly, there are few factual assertions that are universal (e.g. the shape o...
by Peter Holmes
Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:01 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 4147
Views: 193579

Re: What could make morality objective?

That is level 1, so let's go to level 1A. The encyclopedia of philosophy states: Normative ethics takes on a more practical task, which is to arrive at moral standards that regulate right and wrong conduct. This may involve articulating the good habits that we should acquire, the duties that we sho...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:25 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: 'Ought' is 'Is'
Replies: 57
Views: 514

Re: 'Ought' is 'Is'

Peter Holmes wrote: If reality applies (?) to values and existences, does that mean values are not in the set of things that exist? Why distinguish values from existences? Values are in the set of attributes that 'exist '. Attributes that exist are things that people notice.There are countless even...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:09 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 4147
Views: 193579

Re: What could make morality objective?

1. First, we define the term. If we accept a certain definition of "ethics", we are talking about the goal (i.e. happiness). That is ethics, by definition. Then we decide how to achieve that goal. It is this choice which we can get wrong. 2. Not at all; again, if follows from the definition of "eth...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:25 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: 'Ought' is 'Is'
Replies: 57
Views: 514

Re: 'Ought' is 'Is'

'Ought' is 'Is' Here is the argument and explanation; P1 IS = Reality, being, all-there-is. P2 All-there-is comprises and includes 'ought_ness'. C1 Thus 'ought' is "is" C2 Therefore ought is derivable from "is'. The point is reality, being, all-there-is is a monism. However, humans being self-aware...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:09 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: 'Ought' is 'Is'
Replies: 57
Views: 514

Re: 'Ought' is 'Is'

'Ought' is 'Is' Here is the argument and explanation; P1 IS = Reality, being, all-there-is. P2 All-there-is comprises and includes 'ought_ness'. C1 Thus 'ought' is "is" C2 Therefore ought is derivable from "is'. The point is reality, being, all-there-is is a monism. However, humans being self-aware...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:31 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: 'Ought' is 'Is'
Replies: 57
Views: 514

Re: 'Ought' is 'Is'

'Ought' is 'Is' Here is the argument and explanation; P1 IS = Reality, being, all-there-is. P2 All-there-is comprises and includes 'ought_ness'. C1 Thus 'ought' is "is" C2 Therefore ought is derivable from "is'. The point is reality, being, all-there-is is a monism. However, humans being self-aware...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:26 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 4147
Views: 193579

Re: What could make morality objective?

1 True, choice is a matter of opinion and therefore subjective. However, I may choose wrongly. I may choose to drink poison, that does not mean poison results in happiness. 2 There are foundational principles that are not conditional. If you prefer pain to pleasure (e.g. sticking your hand in the f...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:07 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 4147
Views: 193579

Re: What could make morality objective?

Here is a true factual premise: logical contradictions exist. Can anyone demonstrate how that premise logically entails a value-judgement? Answer: no one can, because a factual assertion can't entail a value-judgement, such as a moral assertion. Deductive entailment is the main rule in the logical ...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:16 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 4147
Views: 193579

Re: What could make morality objective?

Here is a true factual premise: logical contradictions exist.

Can anyone demonstrate how that premise logically entails a value-judgement?
by Peter Holmes
Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:15 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 4147
Views: 193579

Re: What could make morality objective?

Omer gerd: 1 The choice of goal is actually not a matter of opinion and subjective. That is a false premise (do some research). 2 If someone states that they would rather be in pain than in pleasure; they are insane. Conversation done. 3 The scope of moral concerns is a challenge but not an objecti...