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by Peter Holmes
Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:05 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2048
Views: 69014

Re: I'll cut to the chase...

As I pointed out up-thread, some things are real unambiguously, like a stone; some things are real but only exist when certain conditions are in place, like fire; some things are real but only exist in a certain context, like my hunger. I believe morality (the rightness or wrongness of an action) i...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:21 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2048
Views: 69014

Re: What could make morality objective?

Henry, I don't mean to be awkward. And I may have misunderstood where you're going with this line of questioning. But is this the claim you're working towards?: If no one wants be a slave, then it is morally wrong to enslave people. If that's not your claim, please can you re-formulate it in this ki...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:56 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2048
Views: 69014

Re: Pete

Do you want to be property? No, I don't want to be property, because I want to be free to do as I choose. And that's a fact. I dare say everyone in-forum agrees with you, Pete. No one wants to be property. I'll go further and say everyone on the planet agrees with you. No one wants to be property. ...
by Peter Holmes
Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:49 pm
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Justified true belief: knowledge and the myth of propositions
Replies: 78
Views: 5788

Re: Justified true belief: knowledge and the myth of propositions

In what way does a metaphor such as 'the mind is an ocean' have a truth-value similar to the factual assertion 'the earth is an oblate spheroid'?
by Peter Holmes
Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:58 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2048
Views: 69014

Re: Pete

Do you want to be property? If yes: why? If no: why? Please, no dissembling or restatement of position. Please , just answer the question(s). ----- To everyone else: please, this question is for Pete, not you (not now, anyway). Let him answer first. No, I don't want to be property, because I want t...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:26 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2048
Views: 69014

Re: What could make morality objective?

It does follow, but you've missed the entailment. I guess you'd better explain, then. There doesn't seem to me to be anything in particular "entailed" by the fact that NO commands have truth value. Please. If you patronise, it's important to get your explanation right. You merely assert that, becau...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:55 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2048
Views: 69014

Re: What could make morality objective?

Propositional logic deals only with declaratives - which is what propositions are. And the declarative is the only clause form with a truth-value. It follows that codes consisting of imperatives - thou shalts - such as 'thou shalt not suffer a witch to live' - have no moral significance, Whoa, whoa...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:20 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2048
Views: 69014

Re: What could make morality objective?

Funny. Other philosophers seem to know Kant didn't succeed. But you say you know he did? Explain how he did. Good luck. No luck required. HOW he did it was trivial - he used a different logic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperative_logic The statement was not even framed as an imperative. So no, ...
by Peter Holmes
Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:53 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2048
Views: 69014

Re: What could make morality objective?

IC Your reasoning is faulty. A value-judgement is a value-judgement - or do you deny that fact? It begs the question. Not so. It's an application of the logical rule of identity, which is a tautology. Nobody denies that a value judgment is a value judgment. That's circular. The real question is, "I...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:50 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2048
Views: 69014

Re: What could make morality objective?

IC A value-judgement is a value-judgement. It follows that whatever facts we deploy to justify that value-judgement can have absolutely no bearing on its status as a value-judgement. (But if there were moral facts, a god would be 'subject' to them, as it would be to all other facts.) The only reason...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:58 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2048
Views: 69014

Re: What could make morality objective?

The claim 'the moon is made of cheese' is true or false, because the nature of the moon is a feature of reality. But the claim 'slavery is morally wrong' doesn't have that objectivity. We don't know that. We're investigating to find out what's behind it. We do know that, because a value-judgement i...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:14 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2048
Views: 69014

Re: What could make morality objective?

... the claim's truth-value is independent from judgement, because the moon, in fact, either is or is not made of cheese. That's what makes this an objective matter. That's right, Pete...it is. Now analyse the claim 'slavery is morally wrong' in the same way. To which fact does this refer? Well, de...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:58 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2048
Views: 69014

Re: again

Now analyse the claim 'slavery is morally wrong' in the same way. To which fact does this refer? I intend to show you once I have your exact standard. Again: you do accept that real things can sometimes exist only in a certain context, or when certain conditions are in place, yeah? Bear with me, Pe...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:47 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2048
Views: 69014

Re: What could make morality objective?

So, by definition, a judgement, belief or opinion can't be objective. My argument is that all moral assertions express judgements, beliefs or opinions - so that they can't be objective, by definition. That's a bit of an amphiboly error there, Pete. To say, "A judgment, by definition is made by a su...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:32 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2048
Views: 69014

Re: again

This... what is it that moral objectivists claim about moral judgements that makes them objective - matters of fact, falsifiable and independent of judgement, belief or opinion? ...is your question, yeah? And: embedded in the question is your standard, yeah? A moral judgment/fact, to be objective, ...