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by Peter Holmes
Mon May 25, 2020 9:41 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3534
Views: 122973

Re: What could make morality objective?

That wasn't that question. Of course a concept must have a definition. What I'm asking is if you think it is the definition a concept means. If the concept, "tricycle," is defined: "a three-wheeled vehicle," is that phrase, "a three-wheeled vehicle," what the concept, "tricycle," means? 1 What and ...
by Peter Holmes
Mon May 25, 2020 5:48 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3534
Views: 122973

Re: What could make morality objective?

Do you think concepts mean their definition? You can't conceive an idea unless the idea is defined, usually by language and sometimes by image, sound, touch and so forth. That wasn't that question. Of course a concept must have a definition. What I'm asking is if you think it is the definition a co...
by Peter Holmes
Sun May 24, 2020 12:45 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3534
Views: 122973

Re: What could make morality objective?

Sidebar - and sorry if this is obvious: the expression 'certain knowledge' is a misattribution, because it's those who 'have' knowledge who can be more or less certain. Certainty is an attitude or state-of-mind, and knowledge can have neither. Well yeah, but I think we know what people mean by it. ...
by Peter Holmes
Sun May 24, 2020 8:25 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3534
Views: 122973

Re: What could make morality objective?

Sidebar - and sorry if this is obvious: the expression 'certain knowledge' is a misattribution, because it's those who 'have' knowledge who can be more or less certain. Certainty is an attitude or state-of-mind, and knowledge can have neither. Do you have any 'certain' response to this OP? What cou...
by Peter Holmes
Sun May 24, 2020 8:21 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3534
Views: 122973

Re: What could make morality objective?

'Certainty is an assertion about the correctness of your knowledge.

I am 90% certain that it's raining outside, given the smell and the noise that I am hearing.'

So-called abstract things aren't assertions, any more than are real things.
by Peter Holmes
Sun May 24, 2020 8:09 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3534
Views: 122973

Re: What could make morality objective?

What, "certain knowledge crowd," would that be? Since Hume and Kant destroyed epistemology, there is not a single philosopher I know who holds the view of certain knowledge. Can you name any? Well, it's been the dream of rationalists to develop certain knowledge from a logically watertight foundati...
by Peter Holmes
Thu May 21, 2020 8:56 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3534
Views: 122973

Re: What could make morality objective?

Peter is insisting there are no moral facts based on analytic philosophy and philosophical realism. I do not agree with his views [..I am an empirical moral realist] and the reason Peter is wrong is because of his views of Philosophical Realism. Labels aside, I've been using your definition of 'fac...
by Peter Holmes
Thu May 21, 2020 6:29 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Morality
Replies: 147
Views: 874

Re: Morality

The meaning of a name is not the thing that it names - even if the name is dog . The meaning of any word can only be the way we use it. So we use the word dog to talk about the things we call dogs - real things that exist, that we know about, and that we can describe. Only some of the words I used ...
by Peter Holmes
Wed May 20, 2020 8:17 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Morality
Replies: 147
Views: 874

Re: Morality

As I explained at the 'What could make morality objective?' thread, the use of moral in moral conscience isn't adjectival.

Sigh.
by Peter Holmes
Wed May 20, 2020 7:41 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Morality
Replies: 147
Views: 874

Re: Morality

The primary purpose of language is not communication. The purpose of language is knowledge and thinking. One must know something before it can be communicated and must think it before it can be written or spoken. Words are not concepts, they are only symbols witch represent concepts. On their own, ...
by Peter Holmes
Wed May 20, 2020 4:22 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Morality
Replies: 147
Views: 874

Re: Morality

Well it's all just manipulating words, really. People seem to spend more time arguing about their meaning than discovering what lies beneath them, or, indeed, even attempting to use them as a means of communication. I think several things are true. 1 When we use words and other signs, that's all we...
by Peter Holmes
Wed May 20, 2020 2:50 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Morality
Replies: 147
Views: 874

Re: Morality

Yep. He doesn't understand what objectivity means. Well it's all just manipulating words, really. People seem to spend more time arguing about their meaning than discovering what lies beneath them, or, indeed, even attempting to use them as a means of communication. I think several things are true....
by Peter Holmes
Wed May 20, 2020 2:32 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3534
Views: 122973

Re: What could make morality objective?

A word for the confused. In the noun phrase moral conscience , the function of the word moral is not to modify the noun conscience - as though there could be an immoral conscience . Instead, the phrase moral conscience refers to how moral values - whatever their source - inform our judgements and ac...
by Peter Holmes
Wed May 20, 2020 1:47 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Morality
Replies: 147
Views: 874

Re: Morality

So if moral rightness and wrongness come from, depend on, or are subject to, anyone's opinion, including that of a god, they can't be objective. Okay, I can live with that, but I can guess IC's reaction to it. :) Yep. He doesn't understand what objectivity means. Some strains of theism addle the br...
by Peter Holmes
Wed May 20, 2020 1:23 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Morality
Replies: 147
Views: 874

Re: Morality

I think the premise - if a god is the source of morality, then morality is objective - is obviously false, by definition. I'm surprised that you say that, I assumed you took the opposite view. Can you explain your conclusion? Objectivity is independence from opinion. So if moral rightness and wrong...