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by Peter Holmes
Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:21 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1634
Views: 38194

Re: What could make morality objective?

In the attempt to demolish the distinction between facts and opinions - which, paradoxically, demolishes the case for moral objectivism - the following quotation has been offered without critique, as though it's undeniably true. (I omit the shouty graphic emphasis.) 'Unlike deductive arguments, ind...
by Peter Holmes
Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:28 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1634
Views: 38194

Re: What could make morality objective?

Just to clarify the two mistakes in Logik's case for moral objectivism, as I understand them. 1 Logik defines truth and objectivity as follows: 'Here is my conventional use of the word "objectivity" and "truth", Peter. Objective truths. Any linguistic expression which is accepted or asserted as true...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:57 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1634
Views: 38194

Re: What could make morality objective?

Peter Holmes wrote: Please allow me to suggest that 'conceptual truths' are axioms i.e. self evident truths. An example of a moral conceptual truth is 'existence is better than non-existence'. Many people suffering from prolonged and painful dying would not agree that that truth is self evident. Ap...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:48 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1634
Views: 38194

Re: What could make morality objective?

Peter Holmes wrote: What and where are concepts? What is conceptual truth? Can you provide an example of a conceptual truth? Please allow me to suggest that 'conceptual truths' are axioms i.e. self evident truths. An example of a moral conceptual truth is 'existence is better than non-existence'. M...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:39 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1634
Views: 38194

Re: What could make morality objective?

10th time now I shall demand you list the laws of logic you subscribe to. You seem to subscribe to LEM and you have boxed the matter between facts and opinions into a dichotomy. You have demonstrated nothing. Decision theory is a framework of rules. Like science is a framework of rules. You said ru...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:19 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1634
Views: 38194

Re: What could make morality objective?

I've demonstrated that the claim that facts are opinions is false, because it entails a contradiction. It can't be the case both that facts are opinions and that facts may not be opinions. Pending a refutation of my demonstration, it seems rational to dismiss the relevance of decision theory in thi...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:21 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1634
Views: 38194

Re: What could make morality objective?

I've demonstrated that the claim that facts are opinions is false, because it entails a contradiction. It can't be the case both that facts are opinions and that facts may not be opinions. Pending a refutation of my demonstration, it seems rational to dismiss the relevance of decision theory in this...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:40 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1634
Views: 38194

Re: What could make morality objective?

Pending a full response to the tendentious description of my argument - and particularly the surprising definition of objectivity as whatever's popular - I suggest there's a problem with the claim that facts are subject to choice. 1 If facts are subject to choice, then the claim that facts are subje...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:09 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1634
Views: 38194

Re: What could make morality objective?

If anyone's interested, my discussion of morality, which includes my argument against moral objectivism, is at:

http://www.peasum.co.uk/420676773

And it would be refreshing to get some other perspectives here.
by Peter Holmes
Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:43 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1634
Views: 38194

Re: What could make morality objective?

Logik I've refuted every one of your deflectionary arguments many times. You've made no case for moral objectivity, and the burden of proof is yours. You have to show how a moral assertion makes a factual claim about a feature of reality, in any context, using deduction, induction, abduction or any ...
by Peter Holmes
Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:15 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1634
Views: 38194

Re: What could make morality objective?

objective /əbˈdʒɛktɪv/Submit adjective 1. (of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. "historians try to be objective and impartial" Sorry, this is an appeal to authority. I am asking you for something which meets the scien...
by Peter Holmes
Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:21 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1634
Views: 38194

Re: What could make morality objective?

If there are no facts, there are no moral facts, so morality isn't objective. *yawn* you are still grounding this notion of "objectivity" in facts. If you use the words 'fact' and 'objectivity' in non-standard ways, tough. I am using the words in exactly the same way every professional in my field ...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:41 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1634
Views: 38194

Re: What could make morality objective?

In the attempt to demolish the distinction between facts and opinions - which, paradoxically, demolishes the case for moral objectivism - the following quotation has been offered without critique, as though it's undeniably true. (I omit the shouty graphic emphasis.) No, it doesn't demolish THE case...
by Peter Holmes
Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:04 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1634
Views: 38194

Re: What could make morality objective?

In the attempt to demolish the distinction between facts and opinions - which, paradoxically, demolishes the case for moral objectivism - the following quotation has been offered without critique, as though it's undeniably true. (I omit the shouty graphic emphasis.) 'Unlike deductive arguments, indu...
by Peter Holmes
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:45 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 1634
Views: 38194

Re: What could make morality objective?

By 'universally true', I take you to mean 'true in all situations'. And you go on to claim that we can't have or know universal truths - so that, in effect, deduction is impossible. Holy fucking shit. I have to spell it out for you. Deductive validity MANDATES unfalsifiability! What are you talking...