Search found 501 matches

by SteveKlinko
Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:23 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences
Replies: 56
Views: 262

Re: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences

I understand being aware of my Redness Experiences and I understand that I am my Redness Experiences. Ok, I follow that. But I Experience Redness as existing somewhere apart from me where I am an independent Observer Experiencing the Redness. But I don't follow this. How is Redness somewhere apart ...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:18 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences
Replies: 56
Views: 262

Re: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences

Based on this, would you also say that a good stand-up comic can consciously generate a laughter experience but those without Qualia can only laugh in interpretation, sometimes uncontrollably … or did I misinterpret your meaning? I am talking about Sensory Qualia like the Experience of Redness, the...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences
Replies: 56
Views: 262

Re: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences

That which is being looked at is what is looking. That is all that can be known about that. . I know what you are trying to say but it rings hollow to me. Maybe I'll get it someday. Seeing RED, is the experience of RED simply known as the awareness of RED. The RED only exists because there is aware...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:46 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences
Replies: 56
Views: 262

Re: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences

Even the people that don't have Qualia are Conscious in the general sense but they do not have a Conscious Experience of something like Redness for example. They simply Detect that there is Red out in their field of view much like a Computer does. They somehow sense what their Neurons are doing dif...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:40 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences
Replies: 56
Views: 262

Re: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences

What do I mean by the Thing In Itself, seems to be your main question. I say Thing In Itself in order to emphasize that Redness is a Property of a Conscious Experience. There is no Redness outside in the Physical World. Redness is a thing that exists only in the Conscious Mind. I think you are mixi...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:28 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences
Replies: 56
Views: 262

Re: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences

Impenitent wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:20 pm
BLUE
GREEN
RED

-Imp
The old Inverted Spectrum idea. Maybe more of a jumbled spectrum. Who can know what people are really Experiencing for the various Colors. My point is that some people might not experience the Color Quale itself no matter how you mix it up.
by SteveKlinko
Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:17 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences
Replies: 56
Views: 262

Re: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences

I know that I am the Light (Conscious Light not Electromagnetic Light) that I Experience. But saying that, doesn't solve the Problem of why it Seems like I'm looking at the Light as an Observer. That which is being looked at is what is looking. That is all that can be known about that. . I know wha...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:00 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences
Replies: 56
Views: 262

Re: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences

Seeing the colour red is an experience I am apparently having, but I have no idea who or what is having that experience or why. Exactly. Me either. The question of who or what or why do I see the colour red doesn't arise in an animal, and yet the question arises in a human being. And yet a human be...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:26 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences
Replies: 56
Views: 262

Re: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences

Even the people that don't have Qualia are Conscious in the general sense but they do not have a Conscious Experience of something like Redness for example. Maybe. It is not possible to know what anyone else's conscious experience is except by their own testimony and the assumption they are not lyi...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:13 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences
Replies: 56
Views: 262

Re: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences

I have always assumed that all normally functioning Human Minds would have at least similar kinds of Conscious Experiences. I have thought this for decades. But after many years of discussions about this with people it has finally become clear to me that some people actually must not have Conscious...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:09 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences
Replies: 56
Views: 262

Re: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences

Try asking an animal to explain the colour red. Of course an animal cannot explain the color red, just as you can't. One has to actually have that experience to understand and explain it. It won't matter to you, but for those who actually see the color red and are interested in it's nature, it can ...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:30 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences
Replies: 56
Views: 262

Re: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences

Yes, I know that the Observer is the 800lb Gorilla in the room. But you cant start a discussion about Observers or any kind of Conscious Self concept with these Numb Zombies. I have thought that talking about the Experience would lead to the question of What is Experiencing these Experiences. But t...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:51 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences
Replies: 56
Views: 262

Re: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences

Nice poetical words. But that doesn't make the Redness go away. It is still there and must be Explained. The redness only exists as a concept known. It's a mental construction. No one has ever SEEN the colour RED. JUST AS NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN THE MIND How can you explain ANY CONCEPT? without explai...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:11 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences
Replies: 56
Views: 262

Re: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences

I say Thing In Itself in order to emphasize that Redness is a Property of a Conscious Experience. There is no Redness outside in the Physical World. Redness is a thing that exists only in the Conscious Mind. It is not just an Illusion as a lot of people try to say but rather it is something that so...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:27 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences
Replies: 56
Views: 262

Re: Some People Might Not Have Conscious Experiences

They are Conscious but do they Experience something like Redness as a thing in itself or do they just Detect Red without the Experience? How should you "detect red without the Experience"? I don't know how this would be possible... Sure you can think about Red, without having the direct experience ...