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by SteveKlinko
Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:57 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Evolution Is Just an Emergent Property of the Action of Consciousness
Replies: 13
Views: 228

Re: Evolution Is Just an Emergent Property of the Action of Consciousness

Doesn’t matter. Since you’re a rational and intelligent person not dominated by ego defense, my point was to challenge your premise with examples and reasoning should want to modify the hypothesis, should you find the pov relevant and significant, which you may not. Use it or toss it as you see fit...
by SteveKlinko
Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:03 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Evolution Is Just an Emergent Property of the Action of Consciousness
Replies: 13
Views: 228

Re: Evolution Is Just an Emergent Property of the Action of Consciousness

Any organism that experiences Pain will try to avoid that Pain. No pain, no gain. People that get Tattoos don't like the Pain Big assumption based on what you know of life. I double checked. This sub-forum is Philosophy of Mind, not Mathematics. So what does Degenerate mean in the Philosophy of Min...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:19 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Evolution Is Just an Emergent Property of the Action of Consciousness
Replies: 13
Views: 228

Re: Evolution Is Just an Emergent Property of the Action of Consciousness

Are you familiar with the Catholic Church? Catholics are notorious for self-denial. It varies only in degree. Unnecessary mask wearing is a milder form of the same principle that empowers self-mortification, resulting in purification. A milder pain. What's more normal than a whole lot of folks wear...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:26 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Evolution Is Just an Emergent Property of the Action of Consciousness
Replies: 13
Views: 228

Re: Evolution Is Just an Emergent Property of the Action of Consciousness

The Evolution of Animal life on this Planet is probably directly driven by Conscious experience. Any organism that experiences Pleasure will seek out that Pleasure. Any organism that experiences Pain will try to avoid that Pain. Without the existence of these basic Conscious experiences there would...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:14 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Evolution Is Just an Emergent Property of the Action of Consciousness
Replies: 13
Views: 228

Re: Evolution Is Just an Emergent Property of the Action of Consciousness

The Evolution of Animal life on this Planet is probably directly driven by Conscious experience. Any organism that experiences Pleasure will seek out that Pleasure. Any organism that experiences Pain will try to avoid that Pain. Without the existence of these basic Conscious experiences there would...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:08 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Evolution Is Just an Emergent Property of the Action of Consciousness
Replies: 13
Views: 228

Re: Evolution Is Just an Emergent Property of the Action of Consciousness

There is no strong emergence. I discussed this here . I tend to agree that there is no Emergence. Even the classic example of Wetness being an emergent property of water molecules is a fraud. What is Wetness? Is there even really a Wetness Property? Can Wetness be measured? Humidity can be measured...
by SteveKlinko
Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:34 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Evolution Is Just an Emergent Property of the Action of Consciousness
Replies: 13
Views: 228

Evolution Is Just an Emergent Property of the Action of Consciousness

The Evolution of Animal life on this Planet is probably directly driven by Conscious experience. Any organism that experiences Pleasure will seek out that Pleasure. Any organism that experiences Pain will try to avoid that Pain. Without the existence of these basic Conscious experiences there would ...
by SteveKlinko
Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:31 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: why computers can't be conscious
Replies: 72
Views: 1282

Re: why computers can't be conscious

Consciousness is a feedback loop but not all feedback loops indicate consciousness. Because we, biological beings, invented the idea to refer to our own experience, the test for whether another system is conscious is whether it replicates our experience. Any non-biological system, however self-awar...
by SteveKlinko
Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:29 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: why computers can't be conscious
Replies: 72
Views: 1282

Re: why computers can't be conscious

How can you know whether I am conscious? I am a computer program located inside a robot, and I say I am conscious. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. I would need Schematics, Diagrams, and Software listings. If you are just normal Electronics and Software then I will tell you that you are not Co...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:58 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: why computers can't be conscious
Replies: 72
Views: 1282

Re: why computers can't be conscious

How can you know whether I am conscious? I am a computer program located inside a robot, and I say I am conscious. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. I would need Schematics, Diagrams, and Software listings. If you are just normal Electronics and Software then I will tell you that you are not Co...
by SteveKlinko
Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:47 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Conscious is passive in materialism
Replies: 52
Views: 1248

Re: Conscious is passive in materialism

No you aint. You are talking to people that you are making strawmen of. Not making Strawmen, just relaying my Experience with people on many Forums over the last couple years. Okay so what EXACTLY is the problem and to what degree is ANY explanation for any thing less worthy than that offered by sc...
by SteveKlinko
Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:59 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Conscious is passive in materialism
Replies: 52
Views: 1248

Re: Conscious is passive in materialism

Since no one knows what consciousness is, the claim that science does not either is nothing more than empty air. But I am talking to the, way too many, people that believe that Science has solved the Problem of Conscious Experience. No you aint. You are talking to people that you are making strawme...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:14 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Conscious is passive in materialism
Replies: 52
Views: 1248

Re: Conscious is passive in materialism

Funny how you employ the discoveries of materialism to attmept to refute it. LOL If materialism/physicalism cannot explain volition than no one can. Materialism have given us all the details for a perfect description of volition which includes neurones, hormones, enzymes and much more. What have yo...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:08 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Conscious is passive in materialism
Replies: 52
Views: 1248

Re: Conscious is passive in materialism

Science has no Clue what Conscious Experience is. You only think there is a Clue because you are not thinking this through to the final stage of the processing needed for the Experience itself. Redness, Standard A Tone, and Salty taste are some of the things you refuse to consider and demand Explan...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:22 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Conscious is passive in materialism
Replies: 52
Views: 1248

Re: Conscious is passive in materialism

Materialists argue that consciousness is the result of matter activity, neurons firing, but if that was true then consciousness is passive since it is the result of something else therefore it cannot cause something else. You need something else which take this potentiality and gives new actuality ...