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by SteveKlinko
Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:15 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: An argument against materialism
Replies: 106
Views: 1978

Re: An argument against materialism

All particles in the universe are interacting with each other. This means that we have one process. Materialism claims that consciousness is the result of process in matter. Therefore there should be one consciousness. There are more than one consciousness. Therefore materialism is false. You misse...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:07 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: What 'consciousness' is more precisely....
Replies: 1
Views: 14

Re: What 'consciousness' is more precisely....

"Consciousness" is the set of activity communicating between two different points in space OF two distinct material beings (regardless of what they are) dependent upon ONLY those subparts in each of them that share the same logical structure AND is able and succeeds in transferring some message bet...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:45 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: An argument against materialism
Replies: 106
Views: 1978

Re: An argument against materialism

In the end, it is concepts which are going to have to explain consciousness in terms of brain mechanisms. The problem is, concepts require a lower level to explain things in terms of something else. But if the case is that consciousness is identical to certain brain mechanisms, you have nothing oth...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:28 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: An argument against materialism
Replies: 106
Views: 1978

Re: An argument against materialism

Just like god concepts, it cannot be defined in such a way as to be testable. Even consciousness can't be defined in that way, so to posit an exterior explanation is a step more removed from possibility. AFTER you have a testable definition of consciousness, THEN we can talk about testing how it wo...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:33 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: An argument against materialism
Replies: 106
Views: 1978

Re: An argument against materialism

Seriously, how do you propose to even start stuffing something like the Color Red, or the Standard A Tone, or the Taste of Salt back into the Neurons? Rhetorical, because I know not you nor anyone else on the planet can even begin to Explain this. But let's look at the Visual System to get a feel f...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:56 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: An argument against materialism
Replies: 106
Views: 1978

Re: An argument against materialism

Just like god concepts, it cannot be defined in such a way as to be testable. Even consciousness can't be defined in that way, so to posit an exterior explanation is a step more removed from possibility. AFTER you have a testable definition of consciousness, THEN we can talk about testing how it wo...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:00 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: An argument against materialism
Replies: 106
Views: 1978

Re: An argument against materialism

The answer to any intractable problem, like philosophy, economics, physics, is a simplified framework or set of maxims that leads to actionable certainty (the purpose of all knowledge, wisdom, and understanding). Some answers raise more questions than they answer, and those questions can't Be answe...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:45 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: An argument against materialism
Replies: 106
Views: 1978

Re: An argument against materialism

That is the use of lay "quantum == magic" understanding of Quantum Physics. It doesn't hold any water scientifically. It's just plain weird to reject that QM has something to do with Consciousness. One of the most accepted points of view of QM says that Consciousness is involved in the results of c...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:40 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: An argument against materialism
Replies: 106
Views: 1978

Re: An argument against materialism

Not knowing how qualities are held by matter does not mean that they are not, or provide confirmation that there is "some other realm" for it. That is an argument based on a lack of knowledge, not a positive argument. Seriously, how do you propose to even start stuffing something like the Color Red...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:46 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: An argument against materialism
Replies: 106
Views: 1978

Re: An argument against materialism

You have no way to Explain how something like the Color Red, the Standard A Tone, or the Taste of Salt can happen as a result of Neurons Firing. These Conscious Experiences refuse to be stuffed back into the Neurons. It is highly Scientific to give them a place to Exist in, namely some sort of Cons...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:29 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: An argument against materialism
Replies: 106
Views: 1978

Re: An argument against materialism

There is a way to test Conscious Space if we speculate further about things. If Quantum Mechanics is the conduit between Physical Space and Conscious Space then we can perform Experiments using certain QM principles as in: http://www.theintermind.com/MachConExperiment/MachConExperiment.asp That is ...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:21 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: An argument against materialism
Replies: 106
Views: 1978

Re: An argument against materialism

Neuroscience has not just begun. Science realized the Correlation between Neurons firing and Conscious Experience over a Hundred years ago. And for over a Hundred years everyone was expecting that there will be some new property of Neurons to Explain it. But there is Zero, and I mean Zero, understa...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:32 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: An argument against materialism
Replies: 106
Views: 1978

Re: An argument against materialism

That option is indistinguishable from fiction. You have no way to Explain how something like the Color Red, the Standard A Tone, or the Taste of Salt can happen as a result of Neurons Firing. These Conscious Experiences refuse to be stuffed back into the Neurons. It is highly Scientific to give the...
by SteveKlinko
Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:02 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: An argument against materialism
Replies: 106
Views: 1978

Re: An argument against materialism

Quantum blah blah <poof> consciousness! No. "Conscious space" is not separate from physical space, it's a subset of it. The detection of Conscious Space is completely conceivable and testable given the right point of view: http://theintermind.com/#Conceivability. But it could as you say, be a subse...
by SteveKlinko
Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:39 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: An argument against materialism
Replies: 106
Views: 1978

Re: An argument against materialism

Yes its possible to declare PM / CM, but there is no way to show that CM is actually separate and distinct. You personally can experience things and see no way to connect the having of that experience to physical situations but that in no way shows that they are not. This level of reality brings us...