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by SteveKlinko
Mon May 03, 2021 12:47 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: The Human Brain Is Incapable Of Understanding Anything
Replies: 24
Views: 5414

Re: The Human Brain Is Incapable Of Understanding Anything

In my view the question is moot because the "conscious mind" is identical to a subset of processes (not just neural activity) in brains. It could also be identical to other processes in other sorts of materials, but at present I'd say we have no good reason to believe this to be the case....
by SteveKlinko
Mon May 03, 2021 12:37 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music
Replies: 352
Views: 43222

Re: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music

Camera analogy is a little Incoherent to me. Who is saying that the Human Eye is what we are Seeing when we See something. Let's straighten this out first. The eye would be analogous to the lens. I didn't just say the lens above. I said the camera . When you take a photograph, you're not taking a p...
by SteveKlinko
Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:22 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: The Human Brain Is Incapable Of Understanding Anything
Replies: 24
Views: 5414

The Human Brain Is Incapable Of Understanding Anything

In this topic I will attempt to define Understanding with respect to the Inter Mind Model (IMM). With the Perspective of the IMM, we can ask the question: Is Understanding a process in the Conscious Mind (CM) or is it simply Neural Activity of the right kind in the Physical Mind (PM)? The concept of...
by SteveKlinko
Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:02 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music
Replies: 352
Views: 43222

Re: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music

Everything you Know and ever can Know is obtained through your Conscious Experiences/Perceptions. Obviously. It's just that what you know isn't only something mental. Confusion between those two ideas shouldn't be that difficult to sort out. Think of an analogy with a camera, say. Everything you ph...
by SteveKlinko
Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:26 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music
Replies: 352
Views: 43222

Re: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music

Oy vey. As I already said, the way that a cube REALLY IS from particular spatiotemporal reference points is that only some sides are visible. "There is no perspective in how things really are" couldn't be more wrong. There are no spatiotemporal reference point-free spatiotemporal referenc...
by SteveKlinko
Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:17 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music
Replies: 352
Views: 43222

Re: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music

I believe you said that you think you See Objects as they really are, and that you are not Seeing a Representation of Objects in your Mind. If you are going to say you See Objects as they are then you will necessarily be able to See all six sides of a Box and inside the Box, Oy vey. As I already sa...
by SteveKlinko
Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:42 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music
Replies: 352
Views: 43222

Re: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music

TS, it seems as if SK is saying that, in reality, a given cube is the same size and shape no matter where it is, but that when it is farther away from you, it looks smaller. At least that is one of the reasons (if I’ve got it right) that SK is saying that we don’t see reality. Yes, but it goes Deep...
by SteveKlinko
Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:40 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music
Replies: 352
Views: 43222

Re: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music

You say you are Observing the Cube as it is in reality. Yes. The way that cubes are in reality is that from different spatiotemporal reference points, only certain portions of them are visible. Again, THIS IS WHAT A CUBE (and the rest of the world) IS LIKE IN REALITY. We're necessarily always talki...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:04 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music
Replies: 352
Views: 43222

Re: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music

Since you believe your Senses do Directly Access the External World then, How does that work? If you were observing a Cube in the External world you should be able to Observe all six sides at the same time if you were truly Observing the Cube as a Cube in the External World. But I'll bet that you c...
by SteveKlinko
Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:14 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music
Replies: 352
Views: 43222

Re: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music

Holy crap, man, I wasn't saying anything about simulations. If you can't observe the external world there's zero way for you to know that the external world has jackshit to do with consistency or that it even exists at all. So exactly How do you Directly Observe the External World? Are you going to...
by SteveKlinko
Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:50 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music
Replies: 352
Views: 43222

Re: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music

Holy crap, man, I wasn't saying anything about simulations. If you can't observe the external world there's zero way for you to know that the external world has jackshit to do with consistency or that it even exists at all. So exactly How do you Directly Observe the External World? Are you going to...
by SteveKlinko
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:56 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music
Replies: 352
Views: 43222

Re: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music

When I Verify my Representations by a lifetime of using them I have found that they are a pretty good Representation of what the External World is like. Sigh. Based on your view, you have zero knowledge if there even is an external world. Why you can't see this, who knows. It's like trying to expla...
by SteveKlinko
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:44 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music
Replies: 352
Views: 43222

Re: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music

I'm trying hard to understand how a discussion about hard consciousness is related to the topic. What ever way we might perceive - whether described as mental representations of the "real " world does not move this question forward. We can only access our experience to address this questi...
by SteveKlinko
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:28 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music
Replies: 352
Views: 43222

Re: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music

I'm just curious. Are you a Naïve Realist, aka Direct Realist? If so, what is your understanding of How we See? Yes, I'm a naive/direct realist. Ceteris paribus, we sense things as they are. We don't only sense mental phenomena. We sense the external world. Our senses are the means by which we do t...
by SteveKlinko
Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:25 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music
Replies: 352
Views: 43222

Re: Computers Are Incapable Of Creatively Writing Music

You believe that what you're really verifying is mental "representations" you have, though, right? Yes, the only things you have to work with are Mental Representations. Everything you have ever known and Experienced are all Representations or Surrogates for whatever is happening in the E...