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by PTH
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:25 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: There is no emergence
Replies: 315
Views: 4524

Re: There is no emergence

While I am agnostic with respect to "consciousness", you seem to know what it is. More than that - you seem to be ascribing that property to me. Its more that you are demonstrating it. Similarly, a cat can eat, but can't define nutrition. You also seem to be demonstrating empathy. See how much you ...
by PTH
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:03 am
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: There is no emergence
Replies: 315
Views: 4524

Re: There is no emergence

Skepdick wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:41 pm
PTH wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:02 pm
When would you say "I pay it" and when would you say "I pay it gladly"?
Whenever I feel like it. Why do you ask?
That's consciousness demonstrated.

Twice.
by PTH
Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:02 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: There is no emergence
Replies: 315
Views: 4524

Re: There is no emergence

Skepdick wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:42 pm
PTH wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:30 pm
Skepdick wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:51 pm
If pedantry is the cost - I pay it gladly.
What does gladly mean?
What do you mean by 'mean'?
When would you say "I pay it" and when would you say "I pay it gladly"?
by PTH
Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:30 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: There is no emergence
Replies: 315
Views: 4524

Re: There is no emergence

Skepdick wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:51 pm
If pedantry is the cost - I pay it gladly.
What does gladly mean?
by PTH
Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:23 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: THE SPECIES PARADOX
Replies: 7
Views: 363

Re: THE SPECIES PARADOX

-1- wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:44 pm
In Europe any kid knows the precise answer to: ....... how life starts from inanimate, dead matter
Do they know this?
by PTH
Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:47 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: There is no emergence
Replies: 315
Views: 4524

Re: There is no emergence

Your admission criteria for "knowledge" are entirely 100% subjective. Is X knowledge? Does X explain? You get to decide that all for yourself. It really isn't; its just pointing out that (unless we want to retreat into pedantry) some things are not worth doubting. That fact is independent of my sub...
by PTH
Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:35 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: THE SPECIES PARADOX
Replies: 7
Views: 363

Re: THE SPECIES PARADOX

THE SPECIES PARADOX http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/SPECIES-PARADOX.pdf I'm not entirely clear on what point the paper is trying to make. I found myself thinking again of something I read recently, along the lines that "genes, as described by evolutionary biologists, only ex...
by PTH
Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:18 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: There is no emergence
Replies: 315
Views: 4524

Re: There is no emergence

In fairness, that's not a maybe. Its a no. In fairness, nobody can hold you to account on this meaningless assertion. Even if science were to pull an artificial consciousness out of a hat tomorrow, we can't even establish whether it meets your expectations for being a "sufficient explanation". You ...
by PTH
Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:25 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: There is no emergence
Replies: 315
Views: 4524

Re: There is no emergence

Skepdick wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:56 pm
Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't.
In fairness, that's not a maybe. Its a no.

Once again, politics is eating science for breakfast.
by PTH
Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:45 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: There is no emergence
Replies: 315
Views: 4524

Re: There is no emergence

It's more that consciousness has not been explained away by science. What event would need to take place, what evidence would science have to produce, for you to concede that consciousness is explained? Does this question have a point? Is this science entity of which you speak on the verge of offer...
by PTH
Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:09 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: There is no emergence
Replies: 315
Views: 4524

Re: There is no emergence

Skepdick wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:21 pm
Everybody wants an explanation for consciousness. Nobody wants consciousness to be explained away by science.
It's more that consciousness has not been explained away by science. Some folk have asked us to forget about consciousness, which is a different thing.
by PTH
Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:12 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: There is no emergence
Replies: 315
Views: 4524

Re: There is no emergence

Skepdick wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:19 pm
You are arguing for telepathy and you are suggesting that Alexa is capable of mind-reading.
No, I'm pointing that Alexa is as unaware of meaning as my ratchet screwdriver.

You and I appreciate meaning, which is why we've had a lengthy, if somewhat circular, engagement around the topic.
by PTH
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:47 am
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: There is no emergence
Replies: 315
Views: 4524

Re: There is no emergence

So if I read instructions on how to operate a piece of machinery, do we think that simple conscious understanding of that instructive text had no impact on what I did next? Parsing the meaning of my words had direct impact on what Alexa did next. Syntax is not semantics. Your mistake is using the t...
by PTH
Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:14 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: There is no emergence
Replies: 315
Views: 4524

Re: There is no emergence

You're obviously realising your case has no merit.. Glad you could be so gracious to admit that ;) Perhaps you failed to notice how I made you argue against your own premise? I think you may be getting messages from another dimension. That, or you're starting to mimic General Custer, as depicted in...
by PTH
Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:17 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: There is no emergence
Replies: 315
Views: 4524

Re: There is no emergence

What, you're saying only electric screwdrivers are conscious? https://muchneeded.com/best-cordless-screwdrivers/ Do you do much DIY? Strawman and further false equivalence. You don't control an electric screw driver with your spoken words. When you talk to your screw driver - nothing happens. Ah, h...