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by Belinda
Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:50 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3957
Views: 145309

Re: What could make morality objective?

Peter Holmes wrote: If the supposed moral fact 'slavery is morally wrong' is not incontrovertible, what could show that it's false? Nothing , except the people who support slavery win the next election and once againt rewrite the history. We all need to choose whether we are sheep or goats, and lif...
by Belinda
Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:48 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Smart Christianity / Dumb Christianity
Replies: 81
Views: 2540

Re: Smart Christianity / Dumb Christianity

Actually, Paul himself demonstrates that this is worthless. If you believe in the Resurrection, but only as a metaphor, myth or legend, then here's the conclusion: "...if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. Moreover we are even found to be false witnesse...
by Belinda
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:14 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3957
Views: 145309

Re: What could make morality objective?

Peter Holmes wrote: If the supposed moral fact 'slavery is morally wrong' is not incontrovertible, what could show that it's false? Nothing , except the people who support slavery win the next election and once againt rewrite the history. We all need to choose whether we are sheep or goats, and life...
by Belinda
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:06 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Smart Christianity / Dumb Christianity
Replies: 81
Views: 2540

Re: Smart Christianity / Dumb Christianity

Actually, Paul himself demonstrates that this is worthless. If you believe in the Resurrection, but only as a metaphor, myth or legend, then here's the conclusion: "...if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. Moreover we are even found to be false witnesse...
by Belinda
Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:48 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3957
Views: 145309

Re: What could make morality objective?

Peter Holmes, it was unusually blunt to tell me my claim was incoherent. However it's my job to make myself clear and so I must take the blame. I apologise for my bluntness, and there's certainly no blame. I could be wrong about this, because I'm too thick to understand it. But, to the point: do yo...
by Belinda
Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:36 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3957
Views: 145309

Re: What could make morality objective?

Peter Holmes, it was unusually blunt to tell me my claim was incoherent. However it's my job to make myself clear and so I must take the blame. Meanwhile, back to the issue: are there moral facts? Do the assertions '{Jesus} was a morally good man', 'we should try to be like [Jesus]', and 'it's moral...
by Belinda
Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:15 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Smart Christianity / Dumb Christianity
Replies: 81
Views: 2540

Re: Smart Christianity / Dumb Christianity

...But sufficiently intelligent secularists well understand the symbolic significance of the Resurrection. Secularists can and do value the story of the Resurrection without the story's supernatural and superstitious interpretation. Actually, Paul himself demonstrates that this is worthless. If you...
by Belinda
Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:32 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3957
Views: 145309

Re: What could make morality objective?

A moral assertion deliberately signals the transmitter of the moral assertion holds that particular moral belief. Maybe. But moral objectivists claim something else - that, say, 'slavery is morally wrong' is a fact, whether anyone believes it or not. And what's 'being signalled' - the intended mess...
by Belinda
Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:55 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 49
Views: 514

Re: To whom and why is god necessary for morality?

What has he done to the Uygurs? As for Putin - this sort of stuff has been happening between the western powers and russia for over 100 years. The west is no better. I don't see how we get the moral high ground. Sculptor, my list of who needs God was never supposed to be complete. I only gave a few...
by Belinda
Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:44 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3957
Views: 145309

Re: What could make morality objective?

We're using the word 'sign' in different ways. I think words are linguistic signs - as in signifier/signified. So I don't see your sign/signal distinction as significant in this discussion of what constitutes a fact. If you prefer: words can mean only what we use them to mean - and there's no other...
by Belinda
Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:27 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Smart Christianity / Dumb Christianity
Replies: 81
Views: 2540

Re: Smart Christianity / Dumb Christianity

1 Corinthians 15 12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless an...
by Belinda
Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:19 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Smart Christianity / Dumb Christianity
Replies: 81
Views: 2540

Re: Smart Christianity / Dumb Christianity

...but cultural change affects us more than do random mutations as cultural change is so rapid compared with natural selection. But this sort of claim is your problem, at the moment. You have arbitrarily exempted cultural change from the universal principle of "survival of the fittest." On what bas...
by Belinda
Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:55 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3957
Views: 145309

Re: What could make morality objective?

A transmitter uses signs in a signal. Can you suggest a signal that doesn't consist of a sign or signs? No because a signal is a species of sign /symbol. What distinguishes a signal is it's intended to convey a special message. Consider clinical examination of a patient by a doctor. The patient exh...
by Belinda
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:38 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3957
Views: 145309

Re: What could make morality objective?

Does that mean signs have objective meaning? A yes/no answer will suffice. Peter confuses signs with signals. Signs, unlike signals, are not intentional on the part of the the transmitter . A transmitter uses signs in a signal. Can you suggest a signal that doesn't consist of a sign or signs? No be...
by Belinda
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:28 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Smart Christianity / Dumb Christianity
Replies: 81
Views: 2540

Re: Smart Christianity / Dumb Christianity

I did not exclude cultural beliefs and practices from the natural world;I excluded them from natural selection . I would also exclude racing pigeons from natural selection as those are artificially bred by human intention, to get them to win races. But they are bred by humans, who, you say, are par...