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i just noticed the part about different relation . if you mean in a different respect , then that would not oppose my position, the least bit. Either way, your either/or dualism is falsified. i'm afraid not. my "either/or dualism" was always meant to work on what's applicable, not on unre...

are you saying that we don't (or shouldn't) have any absolute logical principles? I'm saying that thinking in terms of axiomatic principles ("randomness" or "determinism" in this case) is not logical. Finding "absolute logical principles" was the aspiration of mathemat...

Finding "absolute logical principles" was the aspiration of mathematicians, until Godel proved it was impossible. It was believed that particles could not exist in two places at the same time, but that was proved to be untrue. 'A' can be both 'A' and 'not-A' at the same time and same plac...

if you can demonstrate how knowing all the variables violates any logical principle, i'll concede, immediately. you cannot prove something logically impossible with empirical science. Then it's game, set and match to me. ooh! i'm in trouble then. :wink: The speed of light is finite and therefore it...

This too - "infinitely old" - is logical to (or possible for) you but my (or your) initiating causal chains is not. You accept (what seems to me) impossible simply to avoid what is probable, that being: 'you' are responsible. More tomorrow...homeward bound. if you wanna accept infinite re...

You've proven nothing, alpha. All you've done is made an assertion that determinism and pre-determinism are synonymous constructs, even though countless counter-arguments have been presented to you which refute this assertion. We are in fact in agreement on a critical point, however, because we bot...

Causa sui is only a logical problem if you first assume the opposite. The theist apologists wrongly use ex nihilo, nihil fit in the same way but in most philosophical schools such logic doesn't wash. Under the principles of Occam economy an eternal universe must be preferred over its alternative fo...

Haven't you noticed that every single poster on this topic is in unanimous agreement that you're full of shit? Shouldn't this be telling you something? i don't mind being categorized with the likes of einstein, hawking, schopenhauer, and countless other heavyweights. what would be insulting is if i...

Alpha, "one might argue that all three scenarios are logically possible" So it's logical to assume a first (uncaused) cause, but not logical to assume I initiate causal chains? How does that work? You just wrote... 1. the principle of sufficient reason says that everything must be caused,...

Alpha, .... Question: How did the universe begin? if you're asking about particular details, i'm afraid i can't give you any. however, if you're asking whether or not it was caused, then the answer is 100000000000% yes, it was certainly caused. Can't you see that this argument is both circular and ...

Alpha, That was not an answer, just an evasion. Trying again... Infinite regress, or, first (uncaused) cause: pick one. Then, if you will, illustrate how your choice fits into the rest of your thinking. henry, the honest truth is that i'm not really decided on this myself, at this point. one might ...

are you saying that we don't (or shouldn't) have any absolute logical principles? I'm saying that thinking in terms of axiomatic principles ("randomness" or "determinism" in this case) is not logical. Finding "absolute logical principles" was the aspiration of mathemat...

I think you have your terms confused. Excluding the middle is a fallacy. A fallacy which you could be committing. what do you mean "Excluding the middle is a fallacy"? the law of excluded middle is the third law of aristotle's fundamental laws of logic. perhaps you, like leo, reject this ...

"it was certainly caused." Was the causer caused? If no: how do you figure? If yes: was 'that' causer caused? If no: how do you figure? If yes: was 'that' causer caused? If no: how do you figure? If yes: was 'that' causer caused? and on and on and on and... Was there (is there) a first ca...

Thomascbk wrote:Oh god... I am new here as you can see...

lol. it's ok.