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by White Sky
Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:46 pm
Forum: Aesthetics
Topic: Can art be repulsive?
Replies: 32
Views: 4631

Re: Can art be repulsive?

And I'm very aware experimental artists don't care about whom they repel, that doesn't change the fact no repulsive artworks by experimental artists are Art or generally considered so. However, you are still free to provide some examples of actually repulsive Art, not just works of Art some conside...
by White Sky
Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:11 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: How to prove existence to an ever negating person?
Replies: 13
Views: 1897

Re: How to prove existence to an ever negating person?

Why anyone would spend one second proving their existence is beyond me. If that has to be established, all statements can be refuted.
by White Sky
Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:47 am
Forum: Aesthetics
Topic: Can art be repulsive?
Replies: 32
Views: 4631

Re: Can art be repulsive?

This is interesting and true, but none of this art is repulsive, nor is it meant to be. Most art that most people would consider repulsive wasn't designed to be so. The artist simply didn't consider the tastes of mainstream audiences. Just as the mainstream artist doesn't care that they repel some ...
by White Sky
Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:37 pm
Forum: Aesthetics
Topic: Can art be repulsive?
Replies: 32
Views: 4631

Re: Can art be repulsive?

I found the forms of Guernica beautiful, as I do with most of Picasso's work, just that the subject matter was grim. Art is supposed to stir emotions and ideas. Maybe for the artist the work is cathartic, an opportunity for expression. At other times art is intended to affect viewers or audiences, ...
by White Sky
Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:19 pm
Forum: Aesthetics
Topic: Can art be repulsive?
Replies: 32
Views: 4631

Re: Can art be repulsive?

If Picasso made it even more disturbing then it might be repulsive. Zola is a great artist, some naturalistic descriptions of his could be considered repulsive for sure. I was lucky when reading "Thérèse Raquin" that I did not understand the French vocabulary from the area of drowned bodies ... :mr...
by White Sky
Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:09 am
Forum: Aesthetics
Topic: Can art be repulsive?
Replies: 32
Views: 4631

Re: Can art be repulsive?

How about "Guernica" by Picasso ? Disturbing, not pretty to look at. But it´s art because made by an undisputed artist. Art requires some mastery of expression. A selfie of a battle-field would hardly be "art". Guernica is disturbing, as is much art, but it would be a stretch to call it repulsive.
by White Sky
Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:08 am
Forum: Aesthetics
Topic: Does art need to be original?
Replies: 35
Views: 5132

Re: Does art need to be original?

Everything is derivative. Nothing is original. Not art, not garbage, not ideas. Despite Diogenes. Too simplistic. Using your standards, copying a novel word for word, but only changing a letter, would be just as original as a new work. Anything that is somewhat new has some element of originality t...
by White Sky
Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:07 pm
Forum: Aesthetics
Topic: Can art be repulsive?
Replies: 32
Views: 4631

Re: Can art be repulsive?

Yes, Hitchcock definitely falls in the disturbing, shocking, and /or unsettling...but not the repulsive. And while The Birds is definitely an example, I would say Psycho is even moreso. He literally bragged he was ending the 50's with the film and helped do so by perverting the "family as center" th...
by White Sky
Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:27 pm
Forum: Aesthetics
Topic: Does art need to be original?
Replies: 35
Views: 5132

Re: Does art need to be original?

No it isn't, but you're saying it is sure is. You obviously can't counter my correct arguments or defend your terrible ones, and you're reduced to desperate, weird and perverse statements. So, since I thoroughly debunked your "arguments" about Art, capital, and film, we're done...and I'm putting you...
by White Sky
Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:58 pm
Forum: Aesthetics
Topic: Can art be repulsive?
Replies: 32
Views: 4631

Re: Can art be repulsive?

Typically art is attractive, often eye pleasing. Now I'm looking at it from the other side of the coin. Can it be repulsive and yet, have desirable qualities? What do you think? PhilX Art can definitely be disturbing, shocking and/or unsettling. Francis Bacon's paintings, Artaud and Marlowe's plays...
by White Sky
Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:13 pm
Forum: Aesthetics
Topic: Does art need to be original?
Replies: 35
Views: 5132

Re: Does art need to be original?

There is no argument, flawed thinking, and conceding. These are all happening in your mind. No, your delusion there is no argument, flawed thinking, or conceding is only in your mind. You responded to my statement--in our debate--that films could be art by saying "I usually don't think of films as ...
by White Sky
Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:03 pm
Forum: Aesthetics
Topic: Does art need to be original?
Replies: 35
Views: 5132

Re: Does art need to be original?

No, you said it to support a flawed argument--about film and Art--you were trying to make. However, if you concede you can't support that argument, and it is just a personal opinion, that is OK. This is s discussion about art, mother fucker. not science. You don't get to win an argument, you can on...
by White Sky
Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:01 pm
Forum: Aesthetics
Topic: Does art need to be original?
Replies: 35
Views: 5132

Re: Does art need to be original?

Fucking hell. I'm beginning to think that you are just too ignorant to bother with. Capitalism is a system of exchange that emerged out of the early-mid Medieval system. "Making Money" (the phrase you quote me as using) is a phenomenon that dates easily as far back as the invention of coinage by th...
by White Sky
Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:19 am
Forum: Aesthetics
Topic: Does art need to be original?
Replies: 35
Views: 5132

Re: Does art need to be original?

No, you said it to support a flawed argument--about film and Art--you were trying to make. However, if you concede you can't support that argument, and it is just a personal opinion, that is OK.
by White Sky
Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:14 am
Forum: Aesthetics
Topic: Does art need to be original?
Replies: 35
Views: 5132

Re: Does art need to be original?

I think it important to keep art, at its core, away from the bitch that is capital. If art can transcend money, not be harnessed or perverted by it, then perhaps it can achieve its true function, or at least, create openings where none have before existed. Art is no slave to economic systems. Then ...