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by Magnus Anderson
Fri Sep 29, 2023 7:15 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10163
Views: 1161974

Re: What could make morality objective?

What you are describing there is not a property of the vase, it is a system relationship property between valuer and the valued. It's a property of the vase, by definition. It's merely not a property that describes something that is fully contained within the physical constitution of the vase. It's...
by Magnus Anderson
Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:55 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10163
Views: 1161974

Re: What could make morality objective?

Are you making the argument that since indirect perception is the case (which is correct), everything we experience must have an indirect referent in the external world? Not quite. I am saying that language precedes perception, i.e. that we cannot perceive anything without employing some sort of la...
by Magnus Anderson
Fri Sep 29, 2023 3:20 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10163
Views: 1161974

Re: What could make morality objective?

Is the value of a vase the property of the vase that is being valued or of the man that is valuing it? It's a property of the vase. The answer lies in the language itself. We say "The value of a vase ". But note that this is entirely an issue of convention. We could have said that it belo...
by Magnus Anderson
Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:13 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10163
Views: 1161974

Re: What could make morality objective?

Google a thing that is known or proved to be true. Of course the wording is ambiguous. A thing that is known, or proved, to be true. Is that what they meant? I don't know. Either way is certainly includes my definition. Truth would be "a statement or proposition that is true". The above i...
by Magnus Anderson
Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:40 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10163
Views: 1161974

Re: What could make morality objective?

Oh, please. I've been emphasising the two radically different uses of the word 'fact' for as long as I can remember here: feature of reality that is or was the case; description of such a feature of reality - typically a linguistic expression. Well, I suppose we should admire your intelligence then...
by Magnus Anderson
Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:29 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10163
Views: 1161974

Re: What could make morality objective?

Every "ought" statement has an implied "if" statement: You ought to eat, if you want to stay alive . Maybe you don't want to stay alive, in which case it is not necessarily true that you ought to eat. Maybe some but certainly not all. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that most &...
by Magnus Anderson
Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:09 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10163
Views: 1161974

Re: What could make morality objective?

A fact is that which is the case. You are a fact. I am a fact. Mountains are facts. Rocks are facts. This forum is a fact. We can define things as we like, but going with my definition, I am not a fact. Rocks aren't facts. To facts are about other things. A sentence could be a fact or it could be f...
by Magnus Anderson
Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:50 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10163
Views: 1161974

Re: What could make morality objective?

someone get as close as possible to attaining their highest goal ( which is something they are born with and over which they have no control whatsoever. ) Who or what decides what their highest goal will be? Probably their genes. But the fact of the matter is that, at each point in time, there exis...
by Magnus Anderson
Wed Sep 27, 2023 4:00 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10163
Views: 1161974

Re: What could make morality objective?

It seems like you are actually arguing that "Cake is delicious" means "Cake is delicious to us " and by extension making it express the proposition "we like cake". The fact/value divide isn't going to be overcome with this line of argument. A fact is that which is the ...
by Magnus Anderson
Wed Sep 27, 2023 3:06 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10163
Views: 1161974

Re: What could make morality objective?

And by exactly the same argument, 'X is morally wrong' isn't much different from 'X is morally wrong to me'. That's correct. "X is morally wrong" means "X is morally wrong for a set of people not explicitly mentioned in this statement " where "a set of people" can be 1...
by Magnus Anderson
Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:57 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Finitism made precise
Replies: 30
Views: 11472

Re: Finitism made precise

I can assure you that you'd be banned from any serious forum. You're completely deficient in good manners. You don't listen, you misinterpret and then you attack -- and then you accuse others of your own guilt in order to better hide what you're doing.
by Magnus Anderson
Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:44 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Finitism made precise
Replies: 30
Views: 11472

Re: Finitism made precise

That's why noone wants to have a conversation with you.
by Magnus Anderson
Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:30 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 10163
Views: 1161974

Re: What could make morality objective?

The factual assertion 'I like cake' does indeed, if only trivially, have a truth-value. But the assertion 'cake is delicious' doesn't - and that's why the assertion 'rape is wrong' also has no truth-value. It expresses an opinion. "Cake is dilicious" isn't much different from "I like...
by Magnus Anderson
Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:53 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Finitism made precise
Replies: 30
Views: 11472

Re: Finitism made precise

Yes its. To your eyes it's a square, to Mathematics it's a circle by definition. When people speak of square-circles, and especially when they assert that square-circles do not exist, they are speaking of Euclidean square-circles. This is a given and anyone who isn't overrun by desire to disprove o...
by Magnus Anderson
Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:42 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: Finitism made precise
Replies: 30
Views: 11472

Re: Finitism made precise

Skepdick wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:33 amHere's a square circle.
That's not a square circle.