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by raw_thought
Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:29 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: free will!
Replies: 14
Views: 1188

free will!

"A" ( consciousness ) must precede "B" ( the thought) if it caused "B". "A "cannot precede "B", ( because if "A" could precede "B" that would mean that you are aware of a thought before you think it ) therefore " A" cannot have caused "B". Therefore consciousness cannot cause thoughts. Since free wi...
by raw_thought
Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:18 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"
Replies: 381
Views: 22935

Re: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"

Here is a joke, Dennett only believes in third person narratives. He wakes up with his wife and asks, " it was good for you, was it good for me?" Obviously his position is absurd!
by raw_thought
Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:17 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"
Replies: 381
Views: 22935

Re: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"

Can you visualize a triangle? Obviously you can. Can you prove to a third party that you are visualizing a triangle? Obviously you cannot. Does that mean that you cannot visualize a triangle? For your visualized triangle to be verified by an outside observer requires that it is physical. Obviously i...
by raw_thought
Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:06 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"
Replies: 381
Views: 22935

Re: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"

I think it would be better if we avoided saying we 'see the visualized triangle'. To visualize something is not to see it. OK, You believe that you cannot visualize a triangle. I was not trying to be cute. My point is, is that you do have the image of a triangle when you visualize it and that is di...
by raw_thought
Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:46 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"
Replies: 381
Views: 22935

Re: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"

" Calling different hypotheses 'silly' and insisting that images are 'not physical' is neither argument nor valid empirical support." Wyman Yes, I think it is silly to say that when I visualize a triangle what I am seeing is my neurons firing in a triangular form. * So you can see your neurons with...
by raw_thought
Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:43 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"
Replies: 381
Views: 22935

Re: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"

Londoner wrote:I think it would be better if we avoided saying we 'see the visualized triangle'. To visualize something is not to see it.
OK, You believe that you cannot visualize a triangle.
by raw_thought
Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:19 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"
Replies: 381
Views: 22935

Re: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"

In other words , if we can see the visualized triangle without special equipment that implies that we can see the visualized triangle without special equipment. That I find silly. Can you see your neurons and/or subatomic particles without scientific equipment?
by raw_thought
Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:07 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"
Replies: 381
Views: 22935

Re: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"

" Calling different hypotheses 'silly' and insisting that images are 'not physical' is neither argument nor valid empirical support." Wyman Yes, I think it is silly to say that when I visualize a triangle what I am seeing is my neurons firing in a triangular form. * So you can see your neurons with...
by raw_thought
Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:27 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"
Replies: 381
Views: 22935

Re: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"

Yes, I know what you believe. Now, show me how the following syllogism is invalid or based on false assumptions. 1. it is possible to visualize a triangle. ( I think that is beyond dispute). 2. Either the triangle is physical or it is not. 3. It is obviously not physical as there is nothing physica...
by raw_thought
Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:01 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"
Replies: 381
Views: 22935

Re: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"

" Calling different hypotheses 'silly' and insisting that images are 'not physical' is neither argument nor valid empirical support." Wyman Yes, I think it is silly to say that when I visualize a triangle what I am seeing is my neurons firing in a triangular form. * So you can see your neurons witho...
by raw_thought
Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:59 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"
Replies: 381
Views: 22935

Re: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"

"So, when you say of the neurons that they do not fire in a triangular form, I think they do. "
Londoner
So you are saying that when you visualize a triangle you are seeing your neurons fire in a triangular form. I disagree.
by raw_thought
Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:57 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"
Replies: 381
Views: 22935

Re: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"

I don't think this is anymore a problem. During the infancy of materialism there was an assumption of a dualism between mind and matter, body and soul. I just don't think this is relevant since all these terms are human interested metaphors and only approximate attempts at characterising reality. A...
by raw_thought
Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:52 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"
Replies: 381
Views: 22935

Re: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"

"we never worry that 'when I dissect a rabbit I cannot find a rabbit in there' or 'where in the car engine is the bit that makes it go?'" Londoner The analogy does not work. The visualized triangle is not a part of the brain. It is nowhere in the brain. To say ( to repeat myself ) that the triangle ...
by raw_thought
Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:43 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"
Replies: 381
Views: 22935

Re: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"

"My point is that one can visualize a form and that form is not physical." ME "What would we understand by 'physical'? " Londoner One does not make atoms form into a triangle when one visualizes a triangle. Nor do the neurons fire in a triangular form when one visualizes a triangle. And even if they...
by raw_thought
Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:47 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"
Replies: 381
Views: 22935

Re: Leibniz's mill and the "Hard problem of consciousness"

If one is told or not told to visualize a triangle has no bearing on my argument. * My point is that one can visualize a form and that form is not physical. Neurons do not fire in a triangular shape, or in the shape of a giraphant... In other words there is information ( what a giraphant looks like....