tbieter wrote:"What makes a good conversationalist has changed little over the years. The basics remain the same as when Cicero became the first scholar to write down some rules, which were summarised in 2006 by The Economist: “Speak clearly; speak easily but not too much, especially when others want their turn; do not interrupt; be courteous; deal seriously with serious matters and gracefully with lighter ones; never criticise people behind their backs; stick to subjects of general interest; do not talk about yourself; and, above all, never lose your temper.” But Cicero was lucky: he never went on a first date with someone more interested in their iPhone than his company." http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/564ceb92 ... z1pIgNwzMo
The Prelude in the book is entitled "The Conversationalist as Poet." Frost was considered to be a splendid conversationalist.
Stanlis writes: "...from early manhood until his death the poet believed that next to poetry itself the art of conversation with sophisticated literary friends was the great social, aesthetic, and intellectual passion of his life."
When was my last enjoyable conversation with a stranger?: Last week. I had a very enjoyable conversation at Barnes and Noble with an old guy after he awoke from his nap. However, I won't bore you with the details.
"Although he was a Democrat, Frost certainly would not be a supporter of Obama".
theiter, I know that you are not a supporter of Obama. And you come across as an intelligent person. But you have no idea about Frost's thinking. You shouldn't superimpose your thoughts on Frost.
spike wrote:"Although he was a Democrat, Frost certainly would not be a supporter of Obama".
theiter, I know that you are not a supporter of Obama. And you come across as an intelligent person. But you have no idea about Frost's thinking. False. I have read the book. You shouldn't superimpose your thoughts on Frost.
Have you read "The Poet as Philosopher" or any other book or article on Frost's philosophy?
It is obvious you are disappointed in Obama and imagine that Frost would also be due to his writings. It sounds to me like you are an extreme idealist and expected Obama to fall through, to the letter, in his idealism. Unfortunately he has not be able to do so because of the political entrenched nature of the United States. Perhaps initially your expectations were too high or unrealistic.
Anyway, look at the bright side, you are still getting you Social Security cheques.
spike wrote:"Although he was a Democrat, Frost certainly would not be a supporter of Obama".
theiter, I know that you are not a supporter of Obama. And you come across as an intelligent person. But you have no idea about Frost's thinking. False. I have read the book. You shouldn't superimpose your thoughts on Frost.
Have you read "The Poet as Philosopher" or any other book or article on Frost's philosophy?
"Peter Stanlis, who died on July 18, aged 91, was Distinguished Professor of Humanities, Emeritus, at Rockford College and a world authority on Edmund Burke and Robert Frost. His scholarship and sheer intellectual courage reconfigured Burke studies by expounding the role of the moral natural law in Burke’s thought in more than thirty scholarly publications. Peter will also be remembered for his extraordinary energy in promoting conversation and scholarship in and beyond the walls of Academe, a role that made him one of the most influential American men of letters in the twentieth century." http://www.kirkcenter.org/index.php/boo ... 1920-2011/
Very interesting read tbieter. But what does it have to do with the issue at hand, why Frost would not vote for Obama, as you think. Has it to do with Natural Law and your thinking that Obama doesn't understand it?
Very interesting read tbieter. But what does it have to do with the issue at hand, why Frost would not vote for Obama, as you think. Has it to do with Natural Law and your thinking that Obama doesn't understand it?
This thread is about a book by an author who I admire. I just discovered that the author had died. Hence, I posted this obituary article.
Why don't you read the book. Then you and I can debate the issue you refer to.
spike wrote:"Although he was a Democrat, Frost certainly would not be a supporter of Obama".
theiter, I know that you are not a supporter of Obama. And you come across as an intelligent person. But you have no idea about Frost's thinking. False. I have read the book. You shouldn't superimpose your thoughts on Frost.
Have you read "The Poet as Philosopher" or any other book or article on Frost's philosophy?
It is up to you thieter to tell me what you talking about; not me to try and figure it out. I have read Frost's stuff and I don't agree with you. Isn't that plain enough. I don't detect anywhere in his writings where he would not vote for Obama as you so grandly proclaimed.