if Satan exists, it is Yahweh/Jesus

[Peter Kropotkin]

I can make random statements based on my beliefs too...
and whether it's true or not, that is irrelevant....
because I believe it....and apparently belief is all you need to
make such statements... now, feel free to prove me wrong....
especially considering that I don't accept facts, proof, evidence or
reality to make my statement... if you don't accept facts, or
evidence, why should I? as belief answers all questions....

Kropotkin

[Peter Kropotkin]

for example, according to the internet,
god kills 2,391,421 people in the bible...
Satan killed 10....
and if one includes the whole Naoh's flood thing,
over 20 million people....
so, one of the greatest mass murderers of all time is god.....

god has no problem with killing innocent people... again, Naoh's
flood kills millions and you gotta think that quite of few of them
was innocent... or at least believed in god.....

god had no problem with killing those who committed Adultery..
I believe it was stoning to death to any who committed Adultery...

the entire towns of Sodom and Gomorrah was flattened...

god had no problem with Samson, who alone killed thousands...

David of the bible apparently killed over 40,000 people in one battle....
(I doubt it too, but cut that to 4,000 people, is still a lot of people
and god had no problem with David, well, not until the end)

god has no problem with slavery.... keep the Jews in Egypt for
over 400 years... at no point in the bible does god ever attacks
slavery... or deny its use.... nah, god is good with slavery.....

god had no problem with incest... lot's daughters conspire to ''extract''
their fathers seed, is one example... or if the bible is exactly right,
then one of Eve's male children had to sleep with her for more children....
and then after Noah's flood.... who exactly repopulated the earth, if
not Noah's children?

the bible is in fact, quite a wicked book that can only turn its readers
into murderers and proponents of incest and slavery...... ban the bible...

Kropotkin

[promethean75]

That's what I've always thought, keter. Seriously look at em, man.

[Gary Childress]

I don't know anything about any gods or satans. All I know is that the world is a miserable place.

[promethean75]

The god and satan story concept is a symbolic representation and expression of the human situational conflict that arises when a hierarchy and/or authority is challenged by a subordinate. Ultimately it's a story about the consequences of disobedience... either to the emperor or the father. The father is the symbol of god and that ungrateful little bastard timmy, his son, is satan. Whenever timmy breaks the rules, he's being evil... it's the devils work.

Same with the emperor and king. This guy is god and any of those scumbag slaves or peasants that declare their independence from the king and revolt against him, are evil. The influence of satan. The devil got em.

That's where, why and how that dualistic model of good god vs bad god got started. The creation story of each religion is going to follow an anthropomorphic pattern that eventually ends up at a dispute between good and evil intelligent agencies becuz that what human do, have intelligent disputes... especially over rights and freedom. U can think of the greek pantheon of gods as like the cast of a cosmic soap opera of endless drama. Christianity is no different in essence... it just has a different cast of characters playing out the same anthropomorphic themes.

And wouldn't u know it... that very important theme - personal pride, self love, liberation - is covered extensively in the story of your boy satan's downfall.

The father and king know u want that the most. Exactly what satan wanted. Freedom from their authority... and they can't have that now can they? So they tell u u are the manifestation of sin and evil if u do not remain obedient to them.

Not gods, no masters!

Hail Beezlebub!

[Veritas Aequitas]

I can make random statements based on my beliefs too...
and whether it's true or not, that is irrelevant....
because I believe it....and apparently belief is all you need to
make such statements... now, feel free to prove me wrong....
especially considering that I don't accept facts, proof, evidence or
reality to make my statement... if you don't accept facts, or
evidence, why should I? as belief answers all questions....
Kropotkin

You can label the evil acts in the OT as satanic.
There are arguments that these evil acts are merely stories but not sanction by the OT God.

In any case the OT God is not the specific God of Jesus.
All Christians must enter into a covenant [divine contract] with as implied by accepting God's offer in the Gospel, i.e. John 3:16.
The OT has no contractual obligation with Christians other than it is an appendix where relevant with the Gospel's pacifist maxims as overriding.

Therefore Jesus and his God cannot be Satan [by definition as evil] at all.

[Peter Kropotkin]

I can make random statements based on my beliefs too...
and whether it's true or not, that is irrelevant....
because I believe it....and apparently belief is all you need to
make such statements... now, feel free to prove me wrong....
especially considering that I don't accept facts, proof, evidence or
reality to make my statement... if you don't accept facts, or
evidence, why should I? as belief answers all questions....
Kropotkin

You can label the evil acts in the OT as satanic.
There are arguments that these evil acts are merely stories but not sanction by the OT God.

In any case the OT God is not the specific God of Jesus.
All Christians must enter into a covenant [divine contract] with as implied by accepting God's offer in the Gospel, i.e. John 3:16.
The OT has no contractual obligation with Christians other than it is an appendix where relevant with the Gospel's pacifist maxims as overriding.

Therefore Jesus and his God cannot be Satan [by definition as evil] at all.

K: so what I hear is that there are two gods, one of the old testament
and the second god of the New Testament, of Jesus....
and correct me if I am wrong, wasn't the whole point of being Jewish
is the contract between god and the Jewish people...that is very
much a contract... and it is called a contract in the bible...
and Jesus was a Jew, from birth to death...
Paul who came afterwards, he changed the entire meaning of Jesus
and what it meant to be both Jewish and Christian....

let us start there before we get to the whole evil thang....

Kropotkin

[Veritas Aequitas]

I can make random statements based on my beliefs too...
and whether it's true or not, that is irrelevant....
because I believe it....and apparently belief is all you need to
make such statements... now, feel free to prove me wrong....
especially considering that I don't accept facts, proof, evidence or
reality to make my statement... if you don't accept facts, or
evidence, why should I? as belief answers all questions....
Kropotkin

You can label the evil acts in the OT as satanic.
There are arguments that these evil acts are merely stories but not sanction by the OT God.

In any case the OT God is not the specific God of Jesus.
All Christians must enter into a covenant [divine contract] with as implied by accepting God's offer in the Gospel, i.e. John 3:16. The full terms of the contract are in only in the Gospels and no where else.
The OT has no contractual obligation with Christians other than it is an appendix where relevant with the Gospel's pacifist maxims as overriding.

Therefore Jesus and his God cannot be Satan [by definition as evil] at all.

K: so what I hear is that there are two gods, one of the old testament
and the second god of the New Testament, of Jesus....
and correct me if I am wrong, wasn't the whole point of being Jewish
is the contract between god and the Jewish people...that is very
much a contract... and it is called a contract in the bible...
and Jesus was a Jew, from birth to death...
Paul who came afterwards, he changed the entire meaning of Jesus
and what it meant to be both Jewish and Christian....

let us start there before we get to the whole evil thang....

Kropotkin

For me, it is impossible for God to exists as real.
However the idea of God is critical for theists.

Whatever the confusions with the OT and two Gods, only the omnipotent God knows.
As for Paul, it has nothing to do with the contractual terms of God which can only be in the Gospels [not epistles of Paul nor Acts].

What is most critical is a Christian must enter into a covenant [divine contract] with God as in the Gospels [words of God via Jesus Christ].
Are you familiar with Contract Laws and Principles? i.e. offer & acceptance, etc.
It is obvious God via Jesus made an offer in John 3:16, whoever accept that with his life at stake has entered into an implied contract [divine covenant]. It is a new covenant, not the old covenant.

[attofishpi]

for example, according to the internet,
god kills 2,391,421 people in the bible...
Satan killed 10....

I remember as a child in Catholic primary school being taught how Satan apparently tempted Christ with the offer of land if he performed a miracle. Ever since then, that is about all I know about this chap called satan or the devil and I have always thought, bloody hell is that all he did - offer some land up to see a miracle - doesn't sound like such a bad chap.

I've never heard that he killed 10 people - what's that all about?

[puto]

Satan who is a fallen angel, would not bow to Jesus. Satan is a prosecutor who is a tempter, "The accuser." True that Satan is only allowed to do this by God's will. Revelation 12.9 the Greek diablos with the Hebrew Satan and Serpent of Genesis 3. Revelation 12, Satan is the embodiment of evil that opposes God. Satan fails to temp Jesus (Matt 4; Luke 4.) Satan demonology derives ultimately from Zoroastrian influence. This is enlightening of questioning Biblical infallibility. Satan is in heaven, according to Job 2. God in my notes says, "God is not responsible for the Evil: That which is not good. Could Satan win a bet to God?