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Do the winners write history or does history favor those who deserve to win? I suggest peace is a viable and necessary route to save humanity from ourselves.

deserve has nothing to do with anything

"deserve" never has

superior firepower in the hands of a capable commander is the key

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 2:47 pm deserve has nothing to do with anything

"deserve" never has

superior firepower in the hands of a capable commander is the key

-Imp

We don't know that. You don't know that. At this point keeping the peace is the order of the day for all of us. It's all we can reasonably do.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 2:26 pm Do the winners write history or does history favor those who deserve to win? I suggest peace is a viable and necessary route to save humanity from ourselves.

Let's say you're right. How does one go about obtaining peace?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:28 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 2:26 pm Do the winners write history or does history favor those who deserve to win? I suggest peace is a viable and necessary route to save humanity from ourselves.

Let's say you're right. How does one go about obtaining peace?

At this point in world affairs, I'm not sure how to de-escalate things from where they currently are. However, if/when we get past the present situation, I suggest nations not start wars. which means not sending armies beyond sovereign borders, and not stationing troops beyond sovereign borders (except in UN delegated peace keeping functions). And unfortunately, the US has been the #1 violator of that requirement. So it would require some degree of regime change in the US in our case.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:22 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:28 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2024 2:26 pm Do the winners write history or does history favor those who deserve to win? I suggest peace is a viable and necessary route to save humanity from ourselves.

Let's say you're right. How does one go about obtaining peace?

At this point in world affairs, I'm not sure how to de-escalate things from where they currently are. However, if/when we get past the present situation, I suggest nations not start wars.

So...you're just going to make the suggestion, and nations are all going to listen, and are going to stop making wars? And we'll have peace?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:30 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:22 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:28 pm
Let's say you're right. How does one go about obtaining peace?

At this point in world affairs, I'm not sure how to de-escalate things from where they currently are. However, if/when we get past the present situation, I suggest nations not start wars.

So...you're just going to make the suggestion, and nations are all going to listen, and are going to stop making wars? And we'll have peace?

That is my suggestion. If peace is something that is wanted, then that's probably what it will take. Would you suggest the opposite?

I sense that God is waiting in the wings, ready to make his inevitable entrance.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:35 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:30 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:22 pm

At this point in world affairs, I'm not sure how to de-escalate things from where they currently are. However, if/when we get past the present situation, I suggest nations not start wars.

So...you're just going to make the suggestion, and nations are all going to listen, and are going to stop making wars? And we'll have peace?

That is my suggestion. If peace is something that is wanted, then that's probably what it will take. Would you suggest the opposite?

I wouldn't think anybody's "suggestion" was likely to change anything at all, actually. I would think that was a case of having a wish, but no plan to make it any kind of reality.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:51 pm I sense that God is waiting in the wings, ready to make his inevitable entrance.

I don't think you sense that at all. But if you did, I suspect you'd make very different statements than you do.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:06 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:35 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:30 pm
So...you're just going to make the suggestion, and nations are all going to listen, and are going to stop making wars? And we'll have peace?

That is my suggestion. If peace is something that is wanted, then that's probably what it will take. Would you suggest the opposite?

I wouldn't think anybody's "suggestion" was likely to change anything at all, actually. I would think that was a case of having a wish, but no plan to make it any kind of reality.

Every idea starts out as a "wish". Do you have something against peace?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:33 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:06 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:35 pm

That is my suggestion. If peace is something that is wanted, then that's probably what it will take. Would you suggest the opposite?

I wouldn't think anybody's "suggestion" was likely to change anything at all, actually. I would think that was a case of having a wish, but no plan to make it any kind of reality.

Every idea starts out as a "wish"...

"Starts," yes. But it must not stop there.

Every wish that's realistic has to issue in a practical plan for making it happen, does it not?

"Peace" is a noble goal...but if it's really noble, does it not deserve some possible strategy for achievement? Or are we going to be content with wishing upon a star, and never bother to consider how the thing might actually be reached?

If that's where we stop, just how much do we actually care about peace?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:34 pm

"Peace" is a noble goal...but if it's really noble, does it not deserve some possible strategy for achievement? Or are we going to be content with wishing upon a star, and never bother to consider how the thing might actually be reached?

If that's where we stop, just how much do we actually care about peace?

What is your strategy for achieving peace? Assuming that you care about it.

The title of the thread doesn't bear any obvious relationship to the content of the first post.

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:24 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:34 pm

"Peace" is a noble goal...but if it's really noble, does it not deserve some possible strategy for achievement? Or are we going to be content with wishing upon a star, and never bother to consider how the thing might actually be reached?

If that's where we stop, just how much do we actually care about peace?

What is your strategy for achieving peace? Assuming that you care about it.

I'm interested in Gary's. He's the one who started this ball rolling. Maybe his will be better than anything I could come up with. Let's find out.