What is tolerance?

[Harbal]

Question: What is the purpose of the Motion Picture Association film rating system?

Answer: It's purpose is to provide guidance on how films should be rated.


That's just an educated guess, btw.

[Gary Childress]

Question: What is the purpose of the Motion Picture Association film rating system?

Its purpose is to help Parents make a decision on what they wish to expose their children to. Oddly enough, pornography seems to carry more warning than violence. We watch R rated horror films that give us nightmares and that's fine. We watch an X rated skin flick that gives us pleasure and its the height of evil.

Violence is OK. Sex, though? OMG, call an ambulance!

[Sculptor]

What is ironic is that Zinn book is the "opposiing view" to the bullshit the deep state are peddling.
It remains a fact that the cause of the Boston Tea Party was that the British were selling TAX FREE tea.

Yes, I know. Just like the "facts" Trump supporters accept. You believe only those "facts" which conform to your prejudices. Conspiracy theorists and Trump supporters do the same, The vast majority of historians disagree.

You have characterised the American public. From where I stand I do not give a shit about Trump/Biden, but what I see is a collection of idiots.

Americans were objecting to the British ships bringing in cheap tea, because AMericans were being undercut.
It is very funny indeed that most Americans are clueless about this simple indisputable historical fact.
You are just making a monkey out of yourself.

[Immanuel Can]

...you won't give me the information...

You have it. You have an abundance of videos of actual parents quoting from actual books, citing specific cases.

Now, you may agree or disagree with their objections. That's not an interesting question, because people are allowed to differ somewhat on what they expose their own children to. There's nothing really to debate about that, because I believe in the right of parents to set the parameters of that, and people have somewhat different lines at which they object.

However, what IS interesting is that you DO agree that limiting children's access to age-inappropriate materials is necessary. You may define it your own way: but you're not against parental control over what access strangers have to debauch the imaginations of children, or to exploit and groom them. So define it by your own line, but still, you do define it.

You're not against restrictions. You're not going to simply "tolerate" all cases of such interference. And that's the only point worth us having established here.

[Walker]

Question: What is the purpose of the Motion Picture Association film rating system?

Answer: It's purpose is to provide guidance on how films should be rated.


That's just an educated guess, btw.

Very good. It's to provide guidence ... for parents to guide their little children. Now that you've grasped the principle, apply it to books in a children's library. Parents provide guidance for the films, and for the books the children read.

[Walker]

Question: What is the purpose of the Motion Picture Association film rating system?

Its purpose is to help Parents make a decision on what they wish to expose their children to. Oddly enough, pornography seems to carry more warning than violence. We watch R rated horror films that give us nightmares and that's fine. We watch an X rated skin flick that gives us pleasure and its the height of evil.

Violence is OK. Sex, though? OMG, call an ambulance!

It begins with inappropriate books in children's libraries, paid for with tax dollars and if not, then the parents are demonized as book banners.

Are parents who police their children's movies, film burners? (Burner is used metaphorically to mean, ban.)

[Harbal]

...you won't give me the information...

You have it. You have an abundance of videos of actual parents quoting from actual books, citing specific cases.

I'm not interested in what parents might be quoting. I am interested in your opinion that certain books are "perverted", and which books they actually are. This is simple; I have asked for the titles of the books that you have personally judged "perverted", but you will not tell me.

You're not against restrictions. You're not going to simply "tolerate" all cases of such interference. And that's the only point worth us having established here.

I'm not against restrictions in principle, but I can't say it's a matter of much interest to me. The public spreading of misinformation is a matter of much greater concern to me.

[Harbal]

Question: What is the purpose of the Motion Picture Association film rating system?

Answer: It's purpose is to provide guidance on how films should be rated.


That's just an educated guess, btw.

Very good. It's to provide guidence ... for parents to guide their little children. Now that you've grasped the principle, apply it to books in a children's library. Parents provide guidance for the films, and for the books the children read.

Why are you telling me this, what's it got to do with me?

[Immanuel Can]

I am interested in your opinion that certain books are "perverted",

And I'm uninterested in whether your opinion is identical to mine. But I do find it interesting that you have an opinion, and so are not universally "tolerant" of the exploitation of children.

So since the OP here is about tolerance. We can see your stand is that we shouldn't tolerate everything.

[Walker]

Why are you telling me this, what's it got to do with me?

It's a aid for your understanding, because you often express incomprehension, and you apparently have not grasped the gist of IC's patient explanations.

Once you understand, you may begin to care. See it as an exciting change in your attitude, full of future unknown possiblities brought about by understanding, and caring.

[Walker]

The powers that be also rate violence and language, along with sex scenes.

[Immanuel Can]

Question: What is the purpose of the Motion Picture Association film rating system?

Its purpose is to help Parents make a decision on what they wish to expose their children to. Oddly enough, pornography seems to carry more warning than violence. We watch R rated horror films that give us nightmares and that's fine. We watch an X rated skin flick that gives us pleasure and its the height of evil.

Violence is OK. Sex, though? OMG, call an ambulance!

Actually, Gary, the rating system is a leftover of an older period of what was called "The Hayes Code," that ended in 1968. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hays_Code. It classified films according to content, and contained prohibitions of several kinds, including "profanity, suggestive nudity, graphic or realistic violence, sexual persuasions and rape." While it was probably too tight (it prohibited even certain types of kissing, for example) and somewhat confining to 'artistic license' for directors and producers, it had a very interesting side-effect: it made things like storylines much more important, because creators could not rely on graphic violence or sex to "jazz up" weak scripts. For a time, strong writing of characters and dialogue became absolutely necessary for a film to have any real success. Another side-effect it had was the creation of a kind of "golden era" of filmmaking for women, because women's roles gained prominence: they couldn't just appear as eye-candy, and sexual tension had to be created by their snappy dialogues and interesting comportment, not by them merely peeling off clothes or being exhibited as victims. As a consequence, some of Hollywood's greatest women stars appeared during this period. Think of Hepburn, Kelly, Bacall, Davis...

When the Hayes Code was ended, things reverted to the old tricks, sex and violence, of course. But we did learn from the Hayes Code, that it's not a one-sided thing to have content restrictions: it does compel writers and directors to be much more clever than they would otherwise be.

To this day, we still classify films. But the standards are no longer such that they represent any serious obligation to the producers, writers, actors, and so forth. And maybe that's why so many of our current films are more than a little thin on dialogue, plot and character, and so heavy on explosions, violence and sex. They're actually not well-written films, in many cases.

[Walker]

Americans were objecting to the British ships bringing in cheap tea ...

Talk about living in the past ...

[Harbal]

I am interested in your opinion that certain books are "perverted",

And I'm uninterested in whether your opinion is identical to mine.

You publicly made an allegation, and I think it reasonable that you should be expected to account for it. That is what this is about; not whether our opinions happen to match.

So since the OP here is about tolerance. We can see your stand is that we shouldn't tolerate everything.

I don't think we should tolerate the deliberate spreading of false or misleading information.

[Immanuel Can]

I am interested in your opinion that certain books are "perverted",

And I'm uninterested in whether your opinion is identical to mine.

You publicly made an allegation,...

I've "alleged" nothing about you, and owe you no more. Sorry.

So since the OP here is about tolerance. We can see your stand is that we shouldn't tolerate everything.

I don't think we should tolerate the deliberate spreading of false or misleading information.[/quote]
Oh? So you believe in censorship of anything "false" or "misleading"? So you believe in information control.

It's probably good you're not in charge, then.