Civility

[Walker]

- Does advocating for civility consist of being civil?
- Do you think that civility is appropriate in every situation?
- Is the purpose of being civil in uncivil situations to determine if your civility is unaffected by conditions?
- If not, what condition do you think would challenge your civility?

[Walker]

An example of civility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-kGUyqOpFA

[Impenitent]

civility is demanded by the one with superior firepower.

-Imp

[commonsense]

1 Does advocating for civility consist of being civil?
2 Do you think that civility is appropriate in every situation?
3 Is the purpose of being civil in uncivil situations to determine if your civility is unaffected by conditions?
4 If not, what condition do you think would challenge your civility?

1 To be an advocate for civility one must be an example of civility, but advocating involves more than that. To advocate for a position or cause is to present compelling reasons for others to join you.

Offhand the reason for civility that comes to mind is that one may make others feel more comfortable and thereby more likely to agree, or at least disagree in a fashion that is more likely to focus on content than personality.

2 No. Generally it is appropriate to respond in kind, even if crudely, unless the goal is to convince others to be civil. To behave otherwise is gaslighting.

3 While this may be true as a side effect, it is more likely that attempting to persuade others to be civilized is the primary purpose.

4 When the adversary is crass or rude, civility is being challenged. Rude people often don’t see themselves as rude. In fact, they are more likely to consider their opponent to be rude.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

It's often noted by those who deal with them how 'civil' serial killers are. Politicians are generally 'civil', especially when they are ordering the mass murder of thousands, and even milions, of people. Hitler and Stalin were apparently 'civil' and even charming when it suited them. Makes sense of course. All the better to manipulate others with...

[Walker]

It's often noted by those who deal with them how 'civil' serial killers are. Politicians are generally 'civil', especially when they are ordering the mass murder of thousands, and even milions, of people. Hitler and Stalin were apparently 'civil' and even charming when it suited them. Makes sense of course. All the better to manipulate others with...

I detect an error in logic on the order of: Hitler liked his dog, therefore everyone who likes their dog, is like Hitler ...

... however that could be correct and proven by everyone teaching their dog to do the Hitler salute, only they call it, "Shake," and dog arms are too short for a salute pleasing to all the Hitlers and Stalins and their ilk, but they do love the dogs for how they try to please ... even if Brandon's dog bites the Secret Service body guards 24 times, sometimes so severely that the blood must be "mopped up," according to news reports.

[Walker]

So, the distinction you note ... evil civility vs good civility.

Good civility comes from the heart and intends no harm, even though the reception of the civility may be scrambled with static.

For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lKnb5IEATg

[commonsense]

It's often noted by those who deal with them how 'civil' serial killers are. Politicians are generally 'civil', especially when they are ordering the mass murder of thousands, and even milions, of people. Hitler and Stalin were apparently 'civil' and even charming when it suited them. Makes sense of course. All the better to manipulate others with...

Yes. And sociopaths are very good at appearing to be civil and charming.

[Walker]

It's often noted by those who deal with them how 'civil' serial killers are. Politicians are generally 'civil', especially when they are ordering the mass murder of thousands, and even milions, of people. Hitler and Stalin were apparently 'civil' and even charming when it suited them. Makes sense of course. All the better to manipulate others with...

Yes. And sociopaths are very good at appearing to be civil and charming.

... as are civil and charming people.

What the hell is with you freaks, anyway.

[iambiguous]

Let's take civility here.

There are any number of discussions in the philosophy forum that are relatively civil. In part because the discussions revolve almost entirely around an exchange of definitions and deductions...ideas and ideals. Way, way up in the intellectual clouds. Some get pissed off if others don't share their own didactic dogmas, sure, but since the discussions hardly ever come down to Earth, there is considerably less likelihood of that.

On the other hand, when the discussions revolve around morality and politics...discussions pertaining to actual events around the globe...that's another thing altogether. Why? Because discussions that revolve around conflicting goods or social, political and economic justice, or war, or rights or freedoms involve actual flesh and blood human beings interacting in ways that can precipitate all manner of [at times] terrible human pain and suffering.

Civility and Campaign 2024 here in America? Civility and abortion? Civility and Gaza? Civility and Ukraine?

I merely suggest that civility is more likely among those who abandon their [at times] caustic "my way or the highway" objectivist mentality and are, instead, willing to explore moderation, negotiation and compromise...given what some construe to be the best of all possible worlds: democracy and the rule of law.

[commonsense]

It's often noted by those who deal with them how 'civil' serial killers are. Politicians are generally 'civil', especially when they are ordering the mass murder of thousands, and even milions, of people. Hitler and Stalin were apparently 'civil' and even charming when it suited them. Makes sense of course. All the better to manipulate others with...

Yes. And sociopaths are very good at appearing to be civil and charming.

... as are civil and charming people.

What the hell is with you freaks, anyway.

What is it that you find freaky in our posts?

[commonsense]

Civility and Campaign 2024 here in America? Civility and abortion? Civility and Gaza? Civility and Ukraine?

Not in this forum, but just tune in to mainstream news media and you’ll witness civil pundits and reporters presenting their views.

[commonsense]

Let's take civility here.

I take it that you are saying that the topic being discussed, as well as the temperament of the forum member, dictates whether there will be civility or not. That sounds about right.

[iambiguous]

Civility and Campaign 2024 here in America? Civility and abortion? Civility and Gaza? Civility and Ukraine?

Not in this forum, but just tune in to mainstream news media and you’ll witness civil pundits and reporters presenting their views.

Maybe, but then, on the other hand, the mainstream "media industrial complex" is owned and operated by Wall Street and their crony capitalist minions in Washington.

Part of what I construe to be the "deep state" here: https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.p ... s#p2187045

[promethean75]

Comrade Rosa Lichtenstein points out a fatal flaw in the election process:

"Is the United States presidential election rigged?"

"Yes, but in favour of the rich — Democrat and Republican. You can’t win unless you have a billion dollars, or access to such funds (directly, indirectly or via PACs and super-PACs). In office, despite what they might say, winners’ priorities will be to protect and promote the interests of their wealthy backers.

Anyone who actually wants to do something significant for the vast majority of the US working population will be villified in the media (and called a ‘socialist’, ‘communist’, or ‘Marxist’).

Which is ridiculous since no Marxst thinks a capitalist country can be fundamentally changed in this way — it will require a working class revolution to do that."