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Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 4:07 pmIt cannot undestand what it is doing in ANY sense.

AI can already "See" and "Imagine" the human world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_7mIkDE8CM

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:53 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 4:07 pmIt cannot undestand what it is doing in ANY sense.

AI can already "See" and "Imagine" the human world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_7mIkDE8CM

Moronic

Try and be a bit more dicriminating about what he is saying FFS,
"That is a fake cat".
NO. It is a composite cat made up from a real cat.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:51 amMoronic

Try and be a bit more dicriminating about what he is saying FFS,
"That is a fake cat".
NO. It is a composite cat made up from a real cat.

How do you believe the human brain differentiates between what is fake and what is real?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:03 pm How do you believe the human brain differentiates between what is fake and what is real?

He presupposes there is something special about him. It's just metware chauvinism.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:03 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:51 amMoronic

Try and be a bit more dicriminating about what he is saying FFS,
"That is a fake cat".
NO. It is a composite cat made up from a real cat.

How do you believe the human brain differentiates between what is fake and what is real?

That is a whole other thread.

Define your terms!
Or just run along and ask Chat GPT
But the thread is how does AI "see" the world.
What you have linked is an outpur phenomenon, nothing about "seeing" at all.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:32 pm Define your terms!

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Define "Define your terms!"

Dumb philosopher is dumb. Keeps dragging every discussion down to kindergarten level engagement.

People who react much as Sculptor and VA do generally have a few kinds of biases.

1. Scope Neglect - can be time or spatially related.

2.Technological Optimism

3. Confusion of quantitative and qualitative differences

4. Effect oversimplification: not understanding how abilities to affect systems by hacking/hijacking them is not the same as the kinds of effects with cruder more local destructive effects. Systems ignorance.

5. False equivalence

6. Uniqueness bias

7. Seen it all, nothing new under the sun bias

8. Team oversimplification - often the world is broken down into two teams. Here for example, technological caution or skepticism may well (consciously or not) be relegated by these people to signs that you belong to team religion. IOW it triggers a symbolic battle between religion and science archetypes, or some other, generally binary, framing of the issue and teams. Hence the responses are almost immediately enraged (because the other team has already done so much damage) and further don't consider that the issue may be more complicated and the people involved may not fit the simple categories of the old battles.

These are overlapping biases.

What you all seem to be missing, in your Frankenstein hysteria.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:59 pm What you all seem to be missing, in your Frankenstein hysteria.
chat.jpg

The video in the OP has no relevance to the title.
However, it is noted the terms "sees" and "imagine" is in "_".

Thus AI will "sees" and "imagines" within the known limitations of AI,
and as ChatGpt responded, it cannot "see" "imagine" "understand" in the human way.

Because both humans and AI are conditioned within their respective FSK, it is a mistake to conflate them and insist AI can do what human can do without qualifications to its respective FSK.

The point is AI can only "see" "imagine" "understand" as qualified to its FSK but AI could possibly perform better than humans in many ways in terms of the actual resultant outputs verifiable and agreeable by both.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:59 pm What you all seem to be missing, in your Frankenstein hysteria.

chat.jpg

Well, there you go. An online free chat ai has obviously never been prepared to answer questions about it's nature in that way. And of course, it is just as strong and exactly the same at the pay version, 4. And that in turn is just as strong as the AIs that governments and large corporations don't allow just anyone who happens to feel like it to interact with.

And if you ask the Israeli government, say, or Monsanto, etc., if they are doing something wrong or dangerous, you can just quote their answers also here.

What a relief. It's so simple. We can close down the political forum here or just post official pr materials.

Such a typical response. People who are critical/skeptical/concerned are hysterical. A nice sexist term aimed at people who give a shit and consider the powers that be in question might not have our best interests at heart or might not be taking proper precautions.

Sorry. We'll just be trustful and unemotional like you.
That's what good people are like.
(Or maybe only rage is an ok emotion, since you're not, well, unemotional)

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:51 am

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:53 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 4:07 pmIt cannot undestand what it is doing in ANY sense.

AI can already "See" and "Imagine" the human world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_7mIkDE8CM

Moronic

Try and be a bit more dicriminating about what he is saying FFS,
"That is a fake cat".
NO. It is a composite cat made up from a real cat.

A composite cat is not a real cat. An unreal cat is a fake cat.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:45 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:59 pm What you all seem to be missing, in your Frankenstein hysteria.
chat.jpg

The video in the OP has no relevance to the title.
However, it is noted the terms "sees" and "imagine" is in "_".

Thus AI will "sees" and "imagines" within the known limitations of AI,
and as ChatGpt responded, it cannot "see" "imagine" "understand" in the human way.

Because both humans and AI are conditioned within their respective FSK, it is a mistake to conflate them and insist AI can do what human can do without qualifications to its respective FSK.

The point is AI can only "see" "imagine" "understand" as qualified to its FSK but AI could possibly perform better than humans in many ways in terms of the actual resultant outputs verifiable and agreeable by both.

I doubt that an AI can see in the way humans do, however it can identify known objects. As for understanding, there is none, but when AI composes a cat with 2 left paws, it may be imagining something that isn’t real.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:51 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:51 am

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:53 am

AI can already "See" and "Imagine" the human world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_7mIkDE8CM

Moronic

Try and be a bit more dicriminating about what he is saying FFS,
"That is a fake cat".
NO. It is a composite cat made up from a real cat.

A composite cat is not a real cat. An unreal cat is a fake cat.

Nothing is real.

Do you know FRench or do I need to translate? The point being is that the image is of a real cat.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:52 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:51 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:51 am

Moronic

Try and be a bit more dicriminating about what he is saying FFS,
"That is a fake cat".
NO. It is a composite cat made up from a real cat.

A composite cat is not a real cat. An unreal cat is a fake cat.

Nothing is real.

Do you know FRench or do I need to translate?
pipe.jpg

The point being is that the image is of a real cat.

An image of a fake cat.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 8:42 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:52 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:51 pm

A composite cat is not a real cat. An unreal cat is a fake cat.

Nothing is real.

Do you know FRench or do I need to translate?
pipe.jpg

The point being is that the image is of a real cat.

An image of a fake cat.

No.
It is as real as any cat that your brain can conceive through any medium including your own eyes.
The main point here is the over estimation that you. and others, are bestowing on a computer to produce that image.
It is essentially just a picture of a real cat, just as any photo of a cat that you might take. THe computer does not summon it up from nothing.

The rest is just hype and hysteria about AI.