Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:23 am
Point is some parent can be very evil, and treat the children badly, even to the extreme of incest.
Respect for parents thus is a virtue and can vary according to circumstances.
How can a person respect a parent who raped them or are always violent?
Whereas do not be violent, harm or kill parents is morality.
These moral elements are categorical imperatives, regardless of how evil one parents may be, one cannot commit the above on one's parents.
“Honor your parents” here means a normal situation, not when the parents are murderers or rapists, just like “thou shalt not kill” also means a normal situation, and the killer should be neutralized before he kills.
And yes, this is morality, and atheists also follow this sacred duty, not because they have logically proven its benefits, but following their conscience.
Morality, ethics, virtue can be very loose words.
In this case, what is important is not how you define “morality”, but that the atheist follows “honoring parents”, following his sacred duty, his conscience, and not logical dividends.
Age, silliness is not necessary to elicit discussion invalidating the silliness.
All it means is that for a child of abusive parents to not in turn be abusive, some form of intervention leading to a mature and balanced perspective is required, and that usually occurs in adulthood as the result of some need, such as the biofeedback of intent not correlating with effects thus denying purpose to the inner child, now adult, who needs to change to make all the dreams come true.
Age, silliness is not necessary to elicit discussion invalidating the silliness.
All it means is that for a child of abusive parents to not in turn be abusive, some form of intervention leading to a mature and balanced perspective is required, and that usually occurs in adulthood as the result of some need, such as the biofeedback of intent not correlating with effects thus denying purpose to the inner child, now adult, who needs to change to make all the dreams come true.
So, you still believe that all children should respect abusive adults/parents.
Which, by all means you are absolutely free to believe, but just be aware not all agree with you, at all.
Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:51 pm
So, you still believe that all children should respect abusive adults/parents.
Not respecting what harms you is a Darwin Test for children, and adult too, come to think of it. Those who don't realize that are likely to fail the test by not passing it, at all.
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Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:51 pm
So, you still believe that all children should respect abusive adults/parents.
Not respecting what harms you is a Darwin Test for children.
Believing children should respect adults who do whatever they want to children, gives adults "permission", or an 'excuse', to just keep doing whatever they want to do.
Well, I suppose that's one way to look at it, Age, in theory.
However, a child who respects an adult's capacity to do them harm, will steer clear of the adult out of respect for their own welfare, or risk failing the Darwin Test ... and the child need not even know of Darwin for a pass or fail.
Perhaps breaking out of your beliefs will make that clear.
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For example, a child who does not respect the power of an adult to do them harm with the ultimate abuse, will strap on a suicide vest.
