promethean75 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:12 pm
Oh yes rock trivia. This is my shit.
Yes to the Zeppelin thesis, although Black Sabbath would probably be thought of as the greater precursor to metal.
Page was in my opinion the best guitarist from the top ten rock band set we're all most familiar with, but only in his element. There are prog-rock guitarists that would devour him. We won't talk about Howe, Fripp or Lifeson.
Howe - hugely creative, Fripp a total technician. Horses for courses. I would not give up my Yes, KC for LZ, but I'd not give up any of them for any of the others. It's all 3 or death for me.
As for Rush - a bunch of Randroid morons
Bonham's signature lick was his bass drum triplets. Nobody did that before or quite like him (when they rarely did). And there really wasn't much competition for him. Who, Keith Moon, Nick Mason, Phil Rudd, Charlie Watts? Yeah right.
Moon was a monster force of nature no discipline. Mason Was competent, but nothing especially shines out from P Floyd , but he could play the time signatures! Charlie was a fish out of water. A jazz drummer working in a rock medium. Again not much shines out of the Stones. Can't think of a Stones tune where you say - fuck what about that drumming. Maybe you could remind me.
I'll tell u a lesser known secret tho. Lynyrd Skynyrd and Jethro Tull could have gone as hard as Zeppelin if they wanted, but harder rock wasn't their forte. These two bands had excellent musicians.
I like both especially Tull. Tull is in a league of their own. I'd not want them out of their unique lane though. LenSkyn were country rock and once again not in the same Park as LZ.
Now rumor has it that Zep plagiarized a shit ton of their songs. Not by outright copying them, but by getting an idea through them and then kinda rearranging things a bit. Stairway to Heaven was an old german classical guitar rip-off. I remember my friend's brother Dave showing me the sheet music and playing it for me. He was like 'dude this sounds just like Stairway to Heaven!'' And it did. Too much. Page had to have heard it.
I do not see this as a problem
Run alone and find the original "When the Levee Breaks", or "Gallis Pole". When you are gonna cover you better make pretty same sure its the same as the original or something so amazing that you never want to hear the orginal again. That's what LZ used to do with that old Blues stuff.
I think you are remembering a 3 note riff lifted from the band Spirit? The tune was "Taurus". 3 notes is, well... three notes. Meh.
Judge for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye7hCIWwhGE
I think there is no case to answer, and Spirit did not mind until some inheritor of their estate tried litigation 40 years later.
Compare if you will when Eagles ripped off "We Used to Know" from Jethro Tull for "Hotel California", when Iain Anderson was asked about it he just said to Eagles "If they lifted it, then they are welcome to it."
People are too sensitive about borrowing these days; a legacy of a growing litigious America.
The old Blues Masters were always a lot more promiscuous in that respect back in the day.
The Rolling Stones first Album was all covers but one. That was expected.