Why prophecy?
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:15 pm
God is all powerful so why He chooses prophets to convey His message instead of appearing to all people and telling the truth to them?
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I agree.promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm The typical response to the question of why god duddint reveal himself directly is that if god did so, u wouldn't be able to choose to believe (through faith) the he exists becuz you'd know he existed at that point.
But why the importance of being only able to have faith in god's existence rather than direct knowledge? Usually this question is answered with something about the importance of unfettered freewill. Your boy Kierkegaard goes into it at length. There's some special and mysterious quality about the force of faith, the passion it requires. To believe so strongly in something in the absence of any proof for it. Somehow, for some reason, this is the special sauce in christian faith. If god simply appeared before u, you wouldn't be able to exercise that special power or whatever. You'd be less passionate. You'd just be like 'oh u do exist. Kay.'
Hell yeah! What a mess is this!? I think that all these prophecies are the work of Satan of course if all prophets are honest and tell us the truth about encountering God or a messenger of God or a supernatural being.promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm That aside, aks yourself this: why would god expect anyone to believe a prophet or messiah while at the same time creating so many false ones throughout history who are full of shit?
That is very true.promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm God wouldn't do that. It's a no brainer. If he doesn't want to force anyone to believe in him by appearing directly, he sure as shit wouldn't send an ambassador in his absence, either.
That is very true too. How can we be sure that what we are experiencing is God or an imposter!?promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm Also, even in making a direct appearance, god knows that we'd not be able to be sure it was god and not some imposter. So he wouldn't do that either. It was, ironically, Descartes who dealt one of the first fatal blows to god.
Very interesting thought.Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 4:42 pm This world is a big test of faith, but in reverse. Consider it from God's perspective: would you want to let every spineless coward into heaven where you would have to spend the rest of eternity with them, or would you rather just single out people who have backbones, the quality people?
So God doesn't actually appear to anyone. Those who believe in God anyway are the weak-minded cowards God would like to get rid of. The rest, the atheists, who had the backbone to not believe in a God when there is no reason to even though it's tempting and nothing would be simpler, pass the test and go to heaven.
But the word 'God' here is in reference to what is also called 'Conscience', sometimes.
But God actually is revealing Itself, always, through the Universe, Itself, and within all human beings, equally.promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm This question is most excellent.
The typical response to the question of why god duddint reveal himself directly is that if god did so, u wouldn't be able to choose to believe (through faith) the he exists becuz you'd know he existed at that point.
There is no actual importance here, because your presumed answer is just your own made up personal view and response. Which, obviously, you have chosen to believe is true, right, and/or correct, as so now only look at, and thus also, see things from and in one particular way. As you are proving True here, once again.promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm But why the importance of being only able to have faith in god's existence rather than direct knowledge?
Well since the previous claimed 'typical response', is completely off-track, the question that preceded this answer here was moot from the beginning.promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm Usually this question is answered with something about the importance of unfettered freewill.
Why do you call some adult human beings, 'your boy'?
There is a very special quality, which was 'mysterious' to you adult human beings back when this was being written. But, this very True quality regarding faith/belief came-to-light with the understanding of who and what 'you', human beings are, and, who and what 'I', God am, exactly.promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm There's some special and mysterious quality about the force of faith, the passion it requires.
This is, exactly, where you adult human beings have getting things here absolutely and utterly confused, and conflated.promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm To believe so strongly in something in the absence of any proof for it.
"They" just misinterpreted, confused, and/or conflated things here. Just like absolutely every adult human being does, at times.promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm Somehow, for some reason, this is the special sauce in christian faith.
Which God is doing FULLY with and for every one.
What this one actually means, and is referring to, here is; when one also comes-to-know who and what 'you' are exactly, who and what God is, exactly, and how God is simply always 'appearing' before 'you', human beings, then 'you' will extinguish that Wrongly learned use of 'belief' and 'presuming', which has just been 'a power', which has been overriding your True and FULLY ability of being able to look at, and see, things for who and what they Truly are, previously.promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm you wouldn't be able to exercise that special power or whatever.
See, this is what happens. 'you' see 'things' for who and what they Truly are, and 'you' just accept 'them' for the way that 'they' are.promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm You'd be less passionate. You'd just be like 'oh u do exist. Kay.'
But God has never expected any one to believe in absolutely any 'thing', other than in one's own True Self, and in the abilities of 'this One'.promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm That aside, aks yourself this: why would god expect anyone to believe a prophet or messiah while at the same time creating so many false ones throughout history who are full of shit?
It is like within 'this one' there is some sort of 'Knowing' what God would and would not do.
God, obviously, has never chosen one nor any of 'you', over any one else. God never did this, never is, and never would.promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm If he doesn't want to force anyone to believe in him by appearing directly, he sure as shit wouldn't send an ambassador in his absence, either.
This view, presumption, or belief is very, very Wrong and False,promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm Also, even in making a direct appearance, god knows that we'd not be able to be sure it was god and not some imposter.
If any one is waiting, and/or wanting, a 'he', God, to 'appear' before 'them', then 'that one' will be waiting for a very, very long time.
Okay, if you say so.promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:35 pm It was, ironically, Descartes who dealt one of the first fatal blows to god.
Well, it would be true except that God does appear to all people, perpetually. However, God is not perceived for a lot of folks because the transmitting frequency is open but the receivers are not. The receivers are loaded with static, i.e., mental machinations. Clearing out the background chatter provides the energy for perception to pierce through the self-generated cloaking patterns of the mind that sort out chaos by ignoring this and that, and God, because folks can handle only so much at one time without blowing a fuse. What does blowing a fuse mean? It means clinging to old notions as permanent in the face of new experienced evidence, so out of self-preservation what doesn't fit gets dismissed with one rationalization or another. In short, prophets are simple folks who sometimes by-pass all that and simply see clearly with the mind sense.
Some thing can only 'appear' to some one when one is accepting that 'that thing' could exist.
Does God talk to you? What does He say?Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:05 amBut the word 'God' here is in reference to what is also called 'Conscience', sometimes.
And, God speaks to everyone, from within, and sharing the Truth, equally. Some adults, however, just choose to listen to, and follow, God, while others choose to listen to, and follow, "them" 'self' and/or "others" more, and instead.
Why God does not show Himself to all people and solve all problems in humanity?Walker wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:49 amWell, it would be true except that God does appear to all people, perpetually. However, God is not perceived for a lot of folks because the transmitting frequency is open but the receivers are not. The receivers are loaded with static, i.e., mental machinations. Clearing out the background chatter provides the energy for perception to pierce through the self-generated cloaking patterns of the mind that sort out chaos by ignoring this and that, and God, because folks can handle only so much at one time without blowing a fuse. What does blowing a fuse mean? It means clinging to old notions as permanent in the face of new experienced evidence, so out of self-preservation what doesn't fit gets dismissed with one rationalization or another. In short, prophets are simple folks who sometimes by-pass all that and simply see clearly with the mind sense.
To answer the question, only a few are prophets because prophecy is a burden upon the prophet's normal functioning in society, and they are kept apart because of eccentricities not of their choosing. If a prophet can't handle the energy overload he may end up a raggedy bum telling the truth to strangers on a street corner, perhaps shouting with the intensity of energy associated with emotion and frustration because folks can't hear him.