Why prophecy?

[bahman]

God is all powerful so why He chooses prophets to convey His message instead of appearing to all people and telling the truth to them?

[promethean75]

This question is most excellent.

The typical response to the question of why god duddint reveal himself directly is that if god did so, u wouldn't be able to choose to believe (through faith) the he exists becuz you'd know he existed at that point.

But why the importance of being only able to have faith in god's existence rather than direct knowledge? Usually this question is answered with something about the importance of unfettered freewill. Your boy Kierkegaard goes into it at length. There's some special and mysterious quality about the force of faith, the passion it requires. To believe so strongly in something in the absence of any proof for it. Somehow, for some reason, this is the special sauce in christian faith. If god simply appeared before u, you wouldn't be able to exercise that special power or whatever. You'd be less passionate. You'd just be like 'oh u do exist. Kay.'

That aside, aks yourself this: why would god expect anyone to believe a prophet or messiah while at the same time creating so many false ones throughout history who are full of shit?

God wouldn't do that. It's a no brainer. If he doesn't want to force anyone to believe in him by appearing directly, he sure as shit wouldn't send an ambassador in his absence, either.

Also, even in making a direct appearance, god knows that we'd not be able to be sure it was god and not some imposter. So he wouldn't do that either. It was, ironically, Descartes who dealt one of the first fatal blows to god.

[Harbal]

God is all powerful so why He chooses prophets to convey His message instead of appearing to all people and telling the truth to them?

Well we all know that God doesn't appear to all people, so when they made up the story they had to take that into account.

[Atla]

This world is a big test of faith, but in reverse. Consider it from God's perspective: would you want to let every spineless coward into heaven where you would have to spend the rest of eternity with them, or would you rather just single out people who have backbones, the quality people?

So God doesn't actually appear to anyone. Those who believe in God anyway are the weak-minded cowards God would like to get rid of. The rest, the atheists, who had the backbone to not believe in a God when there is no reason to even though it's tempting and nothing would be simpler, pass the test and go to heaven.

[bahman]

This question is most excellent.

Thanks!

The typical response to the question of why god duddint reveal himself directly is that if god did so, u wouldn't be able to choose to believe (through faith) the he exists becuz you'd know he existed at that point.

But why the importance of being only able to have faith in god's existence rather than direct knowledge? Usually this question is answered with something about the importance of unfettered freewill. Your boy Kierkegaard goes into it at length. There's some special and mysterious quality about the force of faith, the passion it requires. To believe so strongly in something in the absence of any proof for it. Somehow, for some reason, this is the special sauce in christian faith. If god simply appeared before u, you wouldn't be able to exercise that special power or whatever. You'd be less passionate. You'd just be like 'oh u do exist. Kay.'

I agree.

That aside, aks yourself this: why would god expect anyone to believe a prophet or messiah while at the same time creating so many false ones throughout history who are full of shit?

Hell yeah! What a mess is this!? I think that all these prophecies are the work of Satan of course if all prophets are honest and tell us the truth about encountering God or a messenger of God or a supernatural being.

God wouldn't do that. It's a no brainer. If he doesn't want to force anyone to believe in him by appearing directly, he sure as shit wouldn't send an ambassador in his absence, either.

That is very true.

Also, even in making a direct appearance, god knows that we'd not be able to be sure it was god and not some imposter. So he wouldn't do that either. It was, ironically, Descartes who dealt one of the first fatal blows to god.

That is very true too. How can we be sure that what we are experiencing is God or an imposter!?

[bahman]

God is all powerful so why He chooses prophets to convey His message instead of appearing to all people and telling the truth to them?

Well we all know that God doesn't appear to all people, so when they made up the story they had to take that into account.

Very true Harbal!

[bahman]

This world is a big test of faith, but in reverse. Consider it from God's perspective: would you want to let every spineless coward into heaven where you would have to spend the rest of eternity with them, or would you rather just single out people who have backbones, the quality people?

So God doesn't actually appear to anyone. Those who believe in God anyway are the weak-minded cowards God would like to get rid of. The rest, the atheists, who had the backbone to not believe in a God when there is no reason to even though it's tempting and nothing would be simpler, pass the test and go to heaven.

Very interesting thought.

[Impenitent]

but god did reveal himself directly and when the immaculate raincoat flashed, the great flood destroyed the planet...

no, that's not it...

-Imp

[Age]

God is all powerful so why He chooses prophets to convey His message instead of appearing to all people and telling the truth to them?

But the word 'God' here is in reference to what is also called 'Conscience', sometimes.

And, God speaks to everyone, from within, and sharing the Truth, equally. Some adults, however, just choose to listen to, and follow, God, while others choose to listen to, and follow, "them" 'self' and/or "others" more, and instead.

[Age]

This question is most excellent.

The typical response to the question of why god duddint reveal himself directly is that if god did so, u wouldn't be able to choose to believe (through faith) the he exists becuz you'd know he existed at that point.

But God actually is revealing Itself, always, through the Universe, Itself, and within all human beings, equally.

Some adults just choose to ignore, or choose to just to look at, and see, other things.

This forum has been a prime example and actual proof of this phenomena.

But why the importance of being only able to have faith in god's existence rather than direct knowledge?

There is no actual importance here, because your presumed answer is just your own made up personal view and response. Which, obviously, you have chosen to believe is true, right, and/or correct, as so now only look at, and thus also, see things from and in one particular way. As you are proving True here, once again.

The 'direct knowledge' can be obtained, and very easily, simply, and very quickly I will add, but obviously only when one is Truly OPEN and while neither believing, nor disbelieving, some thing is already true here.

Usually this question is answered with something about the importance of unfettered freewill.

Well since the previous claimed 'typical response', is completely off-track, the question that preceded this answer here was moot from the beginning.

Your boy Kierkegaard goes into it at length.

Why do you call some adult human beings, 'your boy'?

Did you, or do you, want to do something with them?

There's some special and mysterious quality about the force of faith, the passion it requires.

There is a very special quality, which was 'mysterious' to you adult human beings back when this was being written. But, this very True quality regarding faith/belief came-to-light with the understanding of who and what 'you', human beings are, and, who and what 'I', God am, exactly.

To believe so strongly in something in the absence of any proof for it.

This is, exactly, where you adult human beings have getting things here absolutely and utterly confused, and conflated.

To believe absolutely any thing, without actual proof, is just plain stupid, ridiculous, and absurd. And, realize just how stupid, ridiculous, and absurd is to believe any thing without proof comes after realizing that once you have obtained the actual proof of some thing, then there is still no need at all to 'believe' that that thing is true. Because 'it' just is, no matter what one thinks or believes.

But, the knowledge and True understanding of the very reason why 'belief' (and 'faith') is very, very important comes with the knowledge of how to created and achieve what, on first glance/hearing, looks like and sounds absolutely impossible. Like, for example, living in peace and in harmony, together, with absolutely every one, as One.

See, to some here, when this is being written, 'this' seems absolutely impossible, and to those while 'believing' that 'this' is an impossibility, then they will never be open enough to find out, and see, how 'this' really is very, very simple to make, create, and achieve.

But like absolutely every human being created 'thing', which obviously absolutely every one of 'things' once all seemed absolutely impossible, they all came about and to fruition because of the 'belief' in people that, 'We can do 'this' and make 'it' happen, and a Reality'.

Somehow, for some reason, this is the special sauce in christian faith.

"They" just misinterpreted, confused, and/or conflated things here. Just like absolutely every adult human being does, at times.

If god simply appeared before u,

Which God is doing FULLY with and for every one.

Some, like new born human beings, are looking at, recognizing, and seeing. However, because of the Truly amazing of the human brain to grasp, retain, and even maintain the 'knowledge', which gets passed on down through the generations, the False and Wrong 'knowledge' also gets passed on and along down through the 'cog'-nitive' processes of brains interacting with each other.

The Wrongly obtained False pre-existing thoughts, view, beliefs, and/or presumptions then, very unfortunately, negatively effect the way 'that one' then looks at, and thus sees, things.

The beauty of the One and only Truly, always, OPEN Mind, however, is that 'It' is always capturing, and noticing, what IS actually True, Right, Accurate, and Correct all the time. It is from the Truly OPEN Mind where the ability for human beings, collectively and/or individually, to always be able to imagine new things, and new ways to create and achieve them exists. It is from the Truly OPEN Mind where actual Intelligence exists, and thus why human beings are able to learn, understand, and reason absolutely any and every thing. Which, although is absolutely beyond amazing compared to any other known living animal, this ability has also allowed younger brains to grasp onto, capture, retain, and even maintain falsehoods, lies, and deceptions, which have been unwittingly passed on down, generation after generation, after generation.

All of which, while assumed or believed to be true, are what 'it' is, which has been, and continues to, prevent and block 'you', human beings, from seeing, understanding, and from knowing what the actual and irrefutable Truth of things is, exactly.

God, which is just the Universe, Itself, is always appearing before you, and can be clearly seen and experienced. you, the adult human being, however, just had not yet recognized and see this Fact, before of the Wrong and/or False thoughts, views/beliefs/presumptions, which you all obtained through Wrongly and/or Falsely 'taught' childhood. Which is just another form of child abuse. Although unknowingly taught, and unknowingly received. From 'back' in the days before this is being written and up to and including 'the days' when this is, and was, being written.

you wouldn't be able to exercise that special power or whatever.

What this one actually means, and is referring to, here is; when one also comes-to-know who and what 'you' are exactly, who and what God is, exactly, and how God is simply always 'appearing' before 'you', human beings, then 'you' will extinguish that Wrongly learned use of 'belief' and 'presuming', which has just been 'a power', which has been overriding your True and FULLY ability of being able to look at, and see, things for who and what they Truly are, previously.

You'd be less passionate. You'd just be like 'oh u do exist. Kay.'

See, this is what happens. 'you' see 'things' for who and what they Truly are, and 'you' just accept 'them' for the way that 'they' are.

This in absolutely no way means that you also agree with and accept the Wrong way, nor misbehavior, that all of you adult human beings do, but because you have, Rightfully, learned how and why all of you do some Wrong things, then, and most importantly, you know how, and why, to prevent any one else from making the same 'mistakes', unknown abuse, which have been going on for way too long 'now', when this is being written.

That aside, aks yourself this: why would god expect anyone to believe a prophet or messiah while at the same time creating so many false ones throughout history who are full of shit?

But God has never expected any one to believe in absolutely any 'thing', other than in one's own True Self, and in the abilities of 'this One'.

God wouldn't do that. It's a no brainer.

It is like within 'this one' there is some sort of 'Knowing' what God would and would not do.

Now, wonder, or imagine, 'where' this inner-Knowing could come-from, exactly?

And, wonder how and why "promethean75" here has 'received' 'this Knowledge', and not others, yet?

Some 'now' might even be asking, 'Why did God choose "promethean75" here to be a "prophet" and to convey 'God's message' to?

And, why did God 'appear' to "promethean75" and not to all people and telling the Truth, to 'them'?

By the way, how the actual and irrefutable Truth of 'things', becomes, and is, 'Known' FULLY, and without absolutely any doubt at all, fits in, perfectly with every thing else here, while explaining every thing here, which at the same time answers, and/or solves, all of the Truly meaningful questions, and problems, in Life.

Which you adult human beings had been discussing, and quarreling, over for centuries and centuries, hitherto when this is/was being written.

If he doesn't want to force anyone to believe in him by appearing directly, he sure as shit wouldn't send an ambassador in his absence, either.

God, obviously, has never chosen one nor any of 'you', over any one else. God never did this, never is, and never would.

To believe or even just presume God would choose any one over another one is just being beyond stupidity, ridiculousness, and/or absurdity.

God never chooses any one. Some, however, just LISTEN more. These ones, however, are no less fallible than any one else is to misconstruing, misinterpreting, mistaking, and/or just missing what is actually being SAID, and MEANT.

Also, even in making a direct appearance, god knows that we'd not be able to be sure it was god and not some imposter.

This view, presumption, or belief is very, very Wrong and False,

If one thinks or believes that 'they' could not tell the actual different between God, Itself, a suggested Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient Being, and/or Thing, and some other 'thing' like a human being, then are 'you', really, sure?

So he wouldn't do that either.

If any one is waiting, and/or wanting, a 'he', God, to 'appear' before 'them', then 'that one' will be waiting for a very, very long time.

It was, ironically, Descartes who dealt one of the first fatal blows to god.

Okay, if you say so.

But are 'we' meant to 'know', exactly, what you are talking about and referring to here?

[Walker]

God is all powerful so why He chooses prophets to convey His message instead of appearing to all people and telling the truth to them?

Well we all know that God doesn't appear to all people, so when they made up the story they had to take that into account.

Very true Harbal!

Well, it would be true except that God does appear to all people, perpetually. However, God is not perceived for a lot of folks because the transmitting frequency is open but the receivers are not. The receivers are loaded with static, i.e., mental machinations. Clearing out the background chatter provides the energy for perception to pierce through the self-generated cloaking patterns of the mind that sort out chaos by ignoring this and that, and God, because folks can handle only so much at one time without blowing a fuse. What does blowing a fuse mean? It means clinging to old notions as permanent in the face of new experienced evidence, so out of self-preservation what doesn't fit gets dismissed with one rationalization or another. In short, prophets are simple folks who sometimes by-pass all that and simply see clearly with the mind sense.

To answer the question, only a few are prophets because prophecy is a burden upon the prophet's normal functioning in society, and they are kept apart because of eccentricities not of their choosing. If a prophet can't handle the energy overload he may end up a raggedy bum telling the truth to strangers on a street corner, perhaps shouting with the intensity of energy associated with emotion and frustration because folks can't hear him.

[Age]

God is all powerful so why He chooses prophets to convey His message instead of appearing to all people and telling the truth to them?

Well we all know that God doesn't appear to all people, so when they made up the story they had to take that into account.

Some thing can only 'appear' to some one when one is accepting that 'that thing' could exist.

God is HERE, for all to look at, and see. And, can be clearly seen and observed, and 'crystal clearly as well' as some might say here.

But, obviously, while one is believing that God could not exist, then God, [whatever 'God' is to that one], could never appear.

[bahman]

God is all powerful so why He chooses prophets to convey His message instead of appearing to all people and telling the truth to them?

But the word 'God' here is in reference to what is also called 'Conscience', sometimes.

And, God speaks to everyone, from within, and sharing the Truth, equally. Some adults, however, just choose to listen to, and follow, God, while others choose to listen to, and follow, "them" 'self' and/or "others" more, and instead.

Does God talk to you? What does He say?

[bahman]

Well we all know that God doesn't appear to all people, so when they made up the story they had to take that into account.

Very true Harbal!

Well, it would be true except that God does appear to all people, perpetually. However, God is not perceived for a lot of folks because the transmitting frequency is open but the receivers are not. The receivers are loaded with static, i.e., mental machinations. Clearing out the background chatter provides the energy for perception to pierce through the self-generated cloaking patterns of the mind that sort out chaos by ignoring this and that, and God, because folks can handle only so much at one time without blowing a fuse. What does blowing a fuse mean? It means clinging to old notions as permanent in the face of new experienced evidence, so out of self-preservation what doesn't fit gets dismissed with one rationalization or another. In short, prophets are simple folks who sometimes by-pass all that and simply see clearly with the mind sense.

To answer the question, only a few are prophets because prophecy is a burden upon the prophet's normal functioning in society, and they are kept apart because of eccentricities not of their choosing. If a prophet can't handle the energy overload he may end up a raggedy bum telling the truth to strangers on a street corner, perhaps shouting with the intensity of energy associated with emotion and frustration because folks can't hear him.

Why God does not show Himself to all people and solve all problems in humanity?

[Walker]

A problem is merely a situation that doesn’t meet human expectations. Why should God be a little servant running around granting whims and fleeting expectations? Focusing on tasks that God can do for you can hide God who's always there.

Hey God! Fetch me a bit of pleasure, and make it quick! Prove you exist, to ME, to the satisfaction of my limitations.