One cannot make a perfect theory from an imperfect measurement

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Re: One cannot make a perfect theory from an imperfect measurement

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bahman wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:31 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:29 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:16 pm
That is not true.
I'll go further..
Science come before the experiement in nearly every instance.
The theory comes first and then the experiement is designed to test it.
That is not true.
What experiment established these theories:
Relativity
Newtonian Gravity
Darwins Natural Selection.
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Re: One cannot make a perfect theory from an imperfect measurement

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Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:49 am
bahman wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:31 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:29 pm
I'll go further..
Science come before the experiement in nearly every instance.
The theory comes first and then the experiement is designed to test it.
That is not true.
What experiment established these theories:
Relativity
Newtonian Gravity
Darwins Natural Selection.
Three does not exhaust all examples.
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Re: One cannot make a perfect theory from an imperfect measurement

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bahman wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:38 pm
Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:49 am
bahman wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:31 pm
That is not true.
What experiment established these theories:
Relativity
Newtonian Gravity
Darwins Natural Selection.
Three does not exhaust all examples.
Fucking hell.
The three biggest theories of all time.
Name ONE that ever emergrd soley from an experiement!!
:D :D :D

Your problem is that you know fuck all about science.
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Re: One cannot make a perfect theory from an imperfect measurement

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Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:45 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:38 pm
Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:49 am

What experiment established these theories:
Relativity
Newtonian Gravity
Darwins Natural Selection.
Three does not exhaust all examples.
Fucking hell.
The three biggest theories of all time.
Name ONE that ever emergrd soley from an experiement!!
:D :D :D

Your problem is that you know fuck all about science.
photoelectric effect. By the way, Newton knew that the orbits of planets are elliptical. That helps him to derive the laws of gravity. So you stole Newtonian gravity from me! :mrgreen:
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Re: One cannot make a perfect theory from an imperfect measurement

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bahman wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:49 pm
Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:45 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:38 pm
Three does not exhaust all examples.
Fucking hell.
The three biggest theories of all time.
Name ONE that ever emergrd soley from an experiement!!
:D :D :D

Your problem is that you know fuck all about science.
photoelectric effect. By the way, Newton knew that the orbits of planets are elliptical. That helps him to derive the laws of gravity. So you stole Newtonian gravity from me! :mrgreen:
DO you know the difference between Observation and Experiement??
Obvious not.
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Re: One cannot make a perfect theory from an imperfect measurement

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Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:47 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:49 pm
Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:45 pm

Fucking hell.
The three biggest theories of all time.
Name ONE that ever emergrd soley from an experiement!!
:D :D :D

Your problem is that you know fuck all about science.
photoelectric effect. By the way, Newton knew that the orbits of planets are elliptical. That helps him to derive the laws of gravity. So you stole Newtonian gravity from me! :mrgreen:
DO you know the difference between Observation and Experiement??
Obvious not.
I am talking about measurement which includes both observation and experiment.
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Re: One cannot make a perfect theory from an imperfect measurement

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bahman wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:30 pm
Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:47 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:49 pm
photoelectric effect. By the way, Newton knew that the orbits of planets are elliptical. That helps him to derive the laws of gravity. So you stole Newtonian gravity from me! :mrgreen:
DO you know the difference between Observation and Experiement??
Obvious not.
I am talking about measurement which includes both observation and experiment.
RUn along now. Your alphabetti spaghetti is gettin cold.
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Re: One cannot make a perfect theory from an imperfect measurement

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bahman wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:30 pm
Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:47 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:49 pm
photoelectric effect. By the way, Newton knew that the orbits of planets are elliptical. That helps him to derive the laws of gravity. So you stole Newtonian gravity from me! :mrgreen:
DO you know the difference between Observation and Experiement??
Obvious not.
I am talking about measurement which includes both observation and experiment.
RUn along now. Your alphabetti spaghetti is gettin cold.
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Re: One cannot make a perfect theory from an imperfect measurement

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Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:57 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:30 pm
Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:47 pm
DO you know the difference between Observation and Experiement??
Obvious not.
I am talking about measurement which includes both observation and experiment.
RUn along now. Your alphabetti spaghetti is gettin cold.
What?
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Re: One cannot make a perfect theory from an imperfect measurement

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I believe he is refering to the ring-shaped canned pasta first introduced in 1965 by the Campbell Soup Company under the Franco-American brand, by marketing manager Donald Goerke.

While scuptor is indeed wrong about there being an alphabet spaghettios, Campbell Soup Company did briefly consider producing other pasta shapes such as cowboys, Native Americans, astronauts, stars, and sports-themed shapes, but abandoned the idea shortly thereafter.
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Re: One cannot make a perfect theory from an imperfect measurement

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promethean75 wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:28 pm I believe he is refering to the ring-shaped canned pasta first introduced in 1965 by the Campbell Soup Company under the Franco-American brand, by marketing manager Donald Goerke.

While scuptor is indeed wrong about there being an alphabet spaghettios, Campbell Soup Company did briefly consider producing other pasta shapes such as cowboys, Native Americans, astronauts, stars, and sports-themed shapes, but abandoned the idea shortly thereafter.
Huh? What does this have to do with our discussion?
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Re: One cannot make a perfect theory from an imperfect measurement

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I'm not sure, but from the information provided by scuptor, i infered that he assumed u had a bowl of alphabet spaghettios, that the spaghettios were getting cold, and that it would perhaps be in your best interest to eat them without further delay.

Now of course sculptor was wrong about assuming such spaghettios exist, as I have demonstrated. And, it may also be true that u prefer eating cold spaghettios, in which case sculptor would also be mistaken in his assumption that u should eat them while they are still warm.
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Re: One cannot make a perfect theory from an imperfect measurement

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promethean75 wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 5:51 pm I'm not sure, but from the information provided by scuptor, i infered that he assumed u had a bowl of alphabet spaghettios, that the spaghettios were getting cold, and that it would perhaps be in your best interest to eat them without further delay.

Now of course sculptor was wrong about assuming such spaghettios exist, as I have demonstrated. And, it may also be true that u prefer eating cold spaghettios, in which case sculptor would also be mistaken in his assumption that u should eat them while they are still warm.
Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification.
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