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Death and meaning of life

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm
by Zarathustra
I realised almost all the authors of my philosophical books have died.
If death is for definite end of all the livings, then is there meaning in life?
How do you define death, and meaning of life?

Re: Death and meaning of life

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:33 pm
by Harbal
Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm I realised almost all the authors of my philosophical books have died.
Yes, philosophy is a risky business.

Re: Death and meaning of life

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:54 pm
by attofishpi
Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm Death and meaning of life.
Not much point in attempting to think of the latter after the former has occurred.

Re: Death and meaning of life

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:31 pm
by Dontaskme
Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm
How do you define death
You can't.

Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm and meaning of life?
Life is a condition that distinguishes functional activity from non functional activity which precedes death that you cannot define.

Meaning, you can only know life, therefore, make of life whatever you wish, for it's all you'll ever know.

Personally, I think life is meaningless and pointless. I prefer the blissful non-activity of sleep to any waking hour. But that's just my take on it.

Re: Death and meaning of life

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:55 pm
by Zarathustra
Harbal wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:33 pm
Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm I realised almost all the authors of my philosophical books have died.
Yes, philosophy is a risky business.
Do you mean if they hadn't done philosophy, they would be all alive now?

Re: Death and meaning of life

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:56 pm
by Zarathustra
attofishpi wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:54 pm
Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm Death and meaning of life.
Not much point in attempting to think of the latter after the former has occurred.
We are still not dead (yet) i.e. the former hasn't yet occurred.

Re: Death and meaning of life

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:00 pm
by Zarathustra
Dontaskme wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:31 pm
Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm
How do you define death
You can't.
So your definition of death is, a process that you cannot define?
Dontaskme wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:31 pm
Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm and meaning of life?
Life is a condition that distinguishes functional activity from non functional activity which precedes death that you cannot define.

Meaning, you can only know life, therefore, make of life whatever you wish, for it's all you'll ever know.

Personally, I think life is meaningless and pointless. I prefer the blissful non-activity of sleep to any waking hour. But that's just my take on it.
Wouldn't non-activity sleep terribly boring? Why not try have fun instead?

Re: Death and meaning of life

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:10 pm
by attofishpi
Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:56 pm
attofishpi wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:54 pm
Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm Death and meaning of life.
Not much point in attempting to think of the latter after the former has occurred.
We are still not dead (yet) i.e. the former hasn't yet occurred.
Sure, but you do understand that any attempt would be futile?

Re: Death and meaning of life

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:16 pm
by Zarathustra
attofishpi wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:10 pm
Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:56 pm
attofishpi wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:54 pm

Not much point in attempting to think of the latter after the former has occurred.
We are still not dead (yet) i.e. the former hasn't yet occurred.
Sure, but you do understand that any attempt would be futile?
If any attempt is futile, attempt for non thinking would be futile too?

Re: Death and meaning of life

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:23 pm
by Angelo Cannata
If you wanto to find a definition of death and meaning of life you will end up building metaphysics, that is a system of ideas entirely exposed to criticism. Both the concepts of “definition” and “meaning” need to be radically criticized. As a consequence, I think the best way to approach life and death is not the traditional phylosophical way of wanting to “understand”. The concept of understanding is exposed to criticism as well. I think the best way is adopting this radical criticism as a positive ground, from where we can build a new approach to existence, based on humility, weakness, humanity, subjectivity. On this ground you can build not only a philosophy, but a whole spirituality, a way of life.

Re: Death and meaning of life

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:36 pm
by Dontaskme
Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:00 pm
So your definition of death is, a process that you cannot define?
How do you suppose death can be defined, since you are asking?

Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm

Wouldn't non-activity sleep terribly boring? Why not try have fun instead?
Not really, I have no awareness of being bored while asleep.

I do have fun, my fun in life is looking forward and knowing I get to go to bed every night.

Re: Death and meaning of life

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:45 pm
by Harbal
Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:55 pm
Harbal wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:33 pm
Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm I realised almost all the authors of my philosophical books have died.
Yes, philosophy is a risky business.
Do you mean if they hadn't done philosophy, they would be all alive now?
No, most of them would probably have died from something else.

Re: Death and meaning of life

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:50 pm
by attofishpi
Harbal wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:45 pm
Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:55 pm
Harbal wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:33 pm
Yes, philosophy is a risky business.
Do you mean if they hadn't done philosophy, they would be all alive now?
No, most of them would probably have died from something else.
Ice cream of course, but what about all the more ridiculous ailments philosophers suffer from, such as slow book worm disease and the like.

Re: Death and meaning of life

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:08 pm
by Harbal
attofishpi wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:50 pm
Harbal wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:45 pm
Zarathustra wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:55 pm

Do you mean if they hadn't done philosophy, they would be all alive now?
No, most of them would probably have died from something else.
Ice cream of course, but what about all the more ridiculous ailments philosophers suffer from, such as slow book worm disease and the like.
We know that Nietzsche's philosophy had a very detrimental effect on his health, but it was his moustache that finished him off when it finally suffocated him. So things are often not straight forward.

Re: Death and meaning of life

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:49 pm
by attofishpi
Harbal wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:08 pm
attofishpi wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:50 pm
Harbal wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:45 pm

No, most of them would probably have died from something else.
Ice cream of course, but what about all the more ridiculous ailments philosophers suffer from, such as slow book worm disease and the like.
We know that Nietzsche's philosophy had a very detrimental effect on his health, but it was his moustache that finished him off when it finally suffocated him. So things are often not straight forward.
That's awful. Thank God I can't grow a moustache.