Do you think meaning relies on immortality?
Really?
Is immortality even possible? Do you believe in it?
Nothing last forever.
BUT
You avoided the question.
Your opening post more than suggests that because people die, nothing means anything. THis imples that were there such a thing as immortality meaning would exist.
Can we start again?
As the OP, I was totally open minded on the issue of immortality.
If one believed in it, I wanted to see on what grounds and evidence one came to the belief.
If one doesn't, then I wanted to see what brought the belief to the person.
And if possible to come to such a point as to therefore how we should live what's left for us.
Is immortality even possible? Do you believe in it?
Nothing last forever.
BUT
You avoided the question.
Your opening post more than suggests that because people die, nothing means anything. THis imples that were there such a thing as immortality meaning would exist.
Can we start again?
As the OP, I was totally open minded on the issue of immortality.
If one believed in it, I wanted to see on what grounds and evidence one came to the belief.
If one doesn't, then I wanted to see what brought the belief to the person.
And if possible to come to such a point as to therefore how we should live what's left for us.
Are you deliberately avoiding the question or do you not undertand what I am asking?
You cannot have the meaning if you are seeking it.
Because I don't have the meaning now, I am seeking it, until I do.
Why do you think life has a meaning?
I assume, by "meaning", you mean some kind of purpose; a reason for your being here, but that would imply you were put here intentionally by something.
Zarathustra wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm
I realised almost all the authors of my philosophical books have died.
If death is for definite end of all the livings, then is there meaning in life?
How do you define death, and meaning of life?
To answer Zarathustra's spake:
- Death delineates the end of a bardo*.
- The purpose of life is to live out the processes of life, and only fancifully separating the concepts of life and living makes that purpose circular.
* Think about it. A bardo is an intermediate state of existence, as is this forum, as is this form.
Nothing last forever.
BUT
You avoided the question.
Your opening post more than suggests that because people die, nothing means anything. THis imples that were there such a thing as immortality meaning would exist.
Can we start again?
As the OP, I was totally open minded on the issue of immortality.
If one believed in it, I wanted to see on what grounds and evidence one came to the belief.
If one doesn't, then I wanted to see what brought the belief to the person.
And if possible to come to such a point as to therefore how we should live what's left for us.
Are you deliberately avoiding the question or do you not undertand what I am asking?
Why do you interpret being open minded as "deliberately avoiding the questions or not understanding your question"?
Is it not some sort of linguistic distortion?
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:27 pm
You cannot have the meaning if you are seeking it.
Because I don't have the meaning now, I am seeking it, until I do.
Why do you think life has a meaning?
I assume, by "meaning", you mean some kind of purpose; a reason for your being here, but that would imply you were put here intentionally by something.
As I said just above to the other poster, my position is "open minded".
Totally different from either life has meaning or it doesn't.
Zarathustra wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm
I realised almost all the authors of my philosophical books have died.
If death is for definite end of all the livings, then is there meaning in life?
How do you define death, and meaning of life?
To answer Zarathustra's spake:
- Death delineates the end of a bardo*.
- The purpose of life is to live out the processes of life, and only fancifully separating the concepts of life and living makes that purpose circular.
* Think about it. A bardo is an intermediate state of existence, as is this forum, as is this form.
I have never read Zarathustra, and don't know anything about him. I don't recall how my ID in this forum became Zarathustra either.
Anyway, are we living life, or rather life lives on us? Are we free to make any changes? Is everything determined?
Because I don't have the meaning now, I am seeking it, until I do.
Why do you think life has a meaning?
I assume, by "meaning", you mean some kind of purpose; a reason for your being here, but that would imply you were put here intentionally by something.
As I said just above to the other poster, my position is "open minded".
Totally different from either life has meaning or it doesn't.
It appears you have started a thread about a subject on which you have nothing to say.
We can imagine for a moment that our "creator" had some plans for our existence, and these plans include both concrete use during the allotted life and death as the disposal of the spent material. In this scenario, the meaning of our existence and death refers only to the creator and not to us.
It just so happened that we are endowed with consciousness, and we do not want to be simply expendable material for the realization of someone else's plans. But since the plan did not include the idea that we might also have some kind of need for meaning, then accordingly there is none. And this means that everyone is completely free to come up with the meaning their heart desires and try to realize it.
The only problem is that as soon as we accept a certain meaning for our existence, we also declare our interests that follow from it ... and voila, the circus of conflicts of interests begins.
I assume, by "meaning", you mean some kind of purpose; a reason for your being here, but that would imply you were put here intentionally by something.
As I said just above to the other poster, my position is "open minded".
Totally different from either life has meaning or it doesn't.
It appears you have started a thread about a subject on which you have nothing to say.
I am more interested in interacting with the posters and their opinions on the topic.
I do ask questions and try to answer to any other questions as frankly as I can.
I hoped there are many posters who have a lot to say on the topic.
Could you tell more about your meaning of life?
Do you believe in immortality yourself?
As the OP, I was totally open minded on the issue of immortality.
If one believed in it, I wanted to see on what grounds and evidence one came to the belief.
If one doesn't, then I wanted to see what brought the belief to the person.
And if possible to come to such a point as to therefore how we should live what's left for us.
Are you deliberately avoiding the question or do you not undertand what I am asking?
Why do you interpret being open minded as "deliberately avoiding the questions or not understanding your question"?
Is it not some sort of linguistic distortion?
nemos wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:37 pm
We can imagine for a moment that our "creator" had some plans for our existence, and these plans include both concrete use during the allotted life and death as the disposal of the spent material. In this scenario, the meaning of our existence and death refers only to the creator and not to us.
It just so happened that we are endowed with consciousness, and we do not want to be simply expendable material for the realization of someone else's plans. But since the plan did not include the idea that we might also have some kind of need for meaning, then accordingly there is none. And this means that everyone is completely free to come up with the meaning their heart desires and try to realize it.
The only problem is that as soon as we accept a certain meaning for our existence, we also declare our interests that follow from it ... and voila, the circus of conflicts of interests begins.
Can religion do anything about it? Yes, there are times when suddenly all life looks so cruel and meaningless. Even the most successful and powerful people seem suddenly die, and depart from this world without ever coming back. So what was the meaning of their hard work for the success?
