commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:11 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:42 pm
What do you think, imagine, or envision the 'God' word refers to, exactly?
Once this becomes known, through a discussion, then I can proceed further in proving, through a Truly philosophical discussion, how this 'Thing' actually does exist.
IMO—and I believe also for many people—that thing called God is an omniscient, omnipotent supernatural being.
commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:11 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:42 pm
The first two are very, very explainable. The third, however, seems like an absolute impossibility. But, again, like absolutely all things it all depends on and is relative to 'the observer'.
Thank you for your comments. On the first two, I agree with you, but on the last one I will explain why I think it applies also.
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:42 pm
Now, when you say and use the word 'supernatural' what are you meaning and/or referring to, exactly?
I’m saying that supernatural refers to something that is outside of nature or more aptly above nature.
Well then, to me, a so-called outside or above 'Nature', Itself, 'thing', could not and thus does not exist also. But, the word 'God', to me, does not mean nor refer to any 'thing' like this here.
Also, and to me, when the word 'above' is used in relation to God, and/or when a human body looks and/or points 'upwards' when asked, 'Where is God?' for example, then 'this' is the Wrong interpretation of the 'above' word in relation to God. To me, God is just above only in a mental or a spiritual sense in that God 'knows' more, or what God 'knows' is just above individual human being 'thought' alone.
Where God exists is always within, and not 'above' in some physical sense to where human beings exist.
Think about where one is actually pointing to and/or looking at when looking and pointing 'above', considering the fact that human beings are on just about all parts of, a round, earth.
The 'above' word is in relation to what is 'within', instead, and to 'its' Truthfulness, Rightness, Accuracy, and/or Correctness, 'above' and over all other knowledge, and thinking.
commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:11 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:42 pm
See, if when one uses that word and they are meaning or referring to some thing above, beyond, or a part from 'Nature', or just being 'natural', Itself, then, to me, this is incomprehensible. For how could absolutely any thing be above, beyond, or just not natural?
But, if when one uses that word they are meaning and/or referring to just some thing with more abilities/power than what is normally perceived as 'natural', then that might be another completely different thing.
commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:20 pm
If you have a different definition, I would certainly like to hear it.
As partly explained above here, the word 'above' in relation to God, to me, just references the abilities or knowledge/knowing as being 'above' human beings usually considered knowledge/knowing and abilities.
That word, well to me anyway, certainly does not reference some physical place above human beings no mater whatever position on the round earth that they are placed at.
As for the 'supernatural' word, however, to me, there is nothing, which is actually beyond, outside of, above, nor a part from 'Nature', nor 'natural', Itself.
However, what might appear, at first, as being above or beyond 'naturally possible' could to be referred to, at first, as 'supernatural', but which might also change, on and from another perspective, and on or from a different or new/er reflection.
commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:11 pm
I respect your opinion, but here’s my wrinkle on the definition of God.
When you say and use the 'the' word here are you referring to 'my' definition of the God word here, or to some other definition of the God word?
commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:11 pm
I think that nothing can be omniscient or omnipotent unless it is supernatural, so IMO about God, God would have to be supernatural.
Now,
1. Is it even a possibility for a 'supernatural' thing to even be able to exist, to you?
2. To you, can some thing exist outside of or above 'nature', itself?
3. How do you, personally, and exactly, define the 'omniscient' and 'omnipotent' words here?
4. To me, how some thing can be, and is, 'omniscient' and 'omnipotent' is very simple, as well as being very easy to be, comprehended, and understood, while still existing 'naturally'.
commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:11 pm
I realize that this is different from what you said, but I think the point is that this is what my opinion is
Which is absolutely fair enough.
And, expressing one's own opinions, views, or thoughts as though they could be false, wrong, or Incorrect, and not the actual truth, can much more quickly lead to the uncovering and/or revealing of what the actual Truth is, as well.