Moral Compass
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:07 pm
Gary Childress suggested common sense as a moral compass.
Are the Ten Commandments common sense?
Are the Ten Commandments common sense?
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1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
Common sense or common moral sense can be a moral compass BUT it must be qualified as such, i.e. common-sense-moral-compass which of course is of cheap quality.
Starting at the beginning, and naturally it depends on how you look at this admonition and command, one can look upon this is a root of a thousand different problems and abuses. First, we who think in certain terms, do not regard this as *God's Voice*, and if that is so we can only see this type of statement as man-created and as I say the creation of a priest-class.1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
Well, at the very least you may begin to understand where my thought tends.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:29 pm I'm quite surprised that you're so quick to blame God for things so manifestly done by the hands of humans.
Sorry...none of this is interesting or challenging, to me.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:39 pmStarting at the beginning...1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
K: I would suggest that this isn't ''interesting or challenging''Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:24 pmSorry...none of this is interesting or challenging, to me.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:39 pmStarting at the beginning...1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
“The nation and kingdom that will not serve you will perish, and the nations will be utterly destroyed” (60:12)
“You will suck the milk of nations, you will suck the wealth of kings” (60:16)
“You will feed on the wealth of nations, you will supplant them in their glory” (61:5-6).
What I hope to establish here is that to the figure of Jesus, that is when taken as a character in a novel, terrifying Yahweh could not have been understood to be his father. I know, I am playing around within the narrative which is a fiction all to itself. But all of this deals in symbolic content and the content has meaning and power in our present among millions.“Yahweh’s sword is gorged with blood, it is greasy with fat,” says Isaiah on the occasion of “a great slaughter in the land of Edom [Amalek’s grandfather]” (34:6).
You suggest wrongly.Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:41 pmK: I would suggest that this isn't ''interesting or challenging''Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:24 pmSorry...none of this is interesting or challenging, to me.
simple because you are unable to think below the surface....
Yes: because you're being boring, and not offering any intellectual challenge. You should quit that...you're probably capable of better.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:53 pm Yes, IC, I knew that you would totally avoid the topic, and for good reason.
Not really, unless you say, for example, that Sabbath-keeping is "common sense." And it's questionable that "not bearing false witness" is a thing which people "commonly" want to practice. Certainly the worship of the one true God is not "common" to a lot of people's "sense" of things.
The only thing that works with these pesky humans is following moral guidance handed down by God. Thousands of years of our history plainly reveals that man is simply not capable of behaving himself and needs assistance in this regard.
I don't think this view and attitude are limited to Judaism. Religion, in just about any form, is an example of:Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:39 pm Judaism is based in a view that all other metaphysical conceptions are not simply mistaken but demoniac. One must look at this attitude as a cultural ploy to establish one's notion of things as inherently *superior*.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:39 pma range of social, psychological and ideological manipulations, not by the hand of *god* but by the hands of the men who control the imago.
If such attitudes and manipulations are associated with theism, how reliable are their moral compasses as compared with non-theists who don't subscribe to such things? Where is the evidence that theism is more moral, considering that theism gives license to immorality as long as the claim is that it's for God and is directed by God. That's all it takes: Making an absurd CLAIM! All is justified!Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:39 pmSo yes, and please, let's continue delving into the idea of 'moral compasses'.
You are entitled to your opinion, naturally.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:32 pmYes: because you're being boring, and not offering any intellectual challenge. You should quit that...you're probably capable of better.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:53 pm Yes, IC, I knew that you would totally avoid the topic, and for good reason.
As are we all. But opinions are only as good as the arguments, data and evidence that support them. I'm not impressed by the proliferation of words without knowledge, or opinions devoid of facts.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:46 pmYou are entitled to your opinion, naturally.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:32 pmYes: because you're being boring, and not offering any intellectual challenge. You should quit that...you're probably capable of better.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:53 pm Yes, IC, I knew that you would totally avoid the topic, and for good reason.