How is entropy a sign that something had a beginning?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 3:57 pmIt shouldn't. If it does, I'd say you're setting the critical thinking bar on that one way too low.Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 3:30 pmI'm not rejoicing, none of this matters that much to me.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 2:48 pm
Sorry...I picked up the wrong attribution tag. Culpa mea.
But you rejoice too soon. Atla's criticism isn't right, and fails at the most obvious sort of level, as even a moment's thought will show you.
What Atla said sounds fine to me.
The idea can be made very, very simple...so simple nobody can miss it. If something is "entropic," it means that it's decaying. If things are decaying, it tells us two things for sure: 1. There was a time when they began, and 2. There is an inevitability to their ultimate dissolution.
The universe is entropic. So we know, beyond any reasonable doubt, that the universe had a beginning point and will inevitably have an end state.
It's really that simple. And nothing can be more scientific, empirical or definite.
I understand that parts of the universe are subject to entropy, but maybe the universe as a whole somehow regenerates itself; who knows?
Your reasoning and argument might not be anything to do with the Bible, but your motives for pursuing this so doggedly certainly are; I would stake my life on it.You'll also notice that this line of logic contains no statements asking for belief in God. It would all be true even if we didn't think about that at all. It's a totally secular point.