A Light Going Out

[Walker]

Which atheist philosopher are you close to?

Gary hates God and blames God for every perceived wrong. Atheists reject the premise of God.

[Gary Childress]

Which atheist philosopher are you close to?

Gary hates God and blames God for every perceived wrong. Atheists reject the premise of God.

If there is a God, then yes, God bears responsibility for the world as it is.

[Peter Kropotkin]

Which atheist philosopher are you close to?

Gary hates God and blames God for every perceived wrong. Atheists reject the premise of God.

K: hang on there cowboy,... you are projecting in a major way.....
now I can't speak for Gary, but I can speak for Atheists,
now whither or not Gary, ''hates god'' is irrelevant, but one can
be an atheist without blaming god for ''every perceived wrong''

and do Atheists reject the premise of god... sure, why not...
there is no need for god or some theological proposition in our lives...
one can happily go from birth to death and never give god a moment's
thought... and in many ways, life is vastly easier without a god, then
with a god...

In fact, I would make the argument that god is not only unnecessary,
but is harmful to human existence.... god and believe in god, weighs
us down in ways that damages us..... belief in god create harm by
engaging us into guilt, sin, heaven and hell, worry, doubt, uncertainty,
and outright fear of god.... these damage and harm us, socially
and psychologically, I am separated from living with my doubt
and fears about going to hell..... I can't live my best life if I am
scared or terrified of going to hell....fear drives us to doing things
that we normally wouldn't do..... such as when we attack others on
theological grounds... it is our own fear that drives us to this, not
in favor of heaven or hell, but because of our fear, a negative, not
a positive, for something......

I spent 40 years searching for god... and I found peace and quiet, once
I stopped... very little bothers me these days, especially not any concern
that I might go to hell....there is no hell..... why should I worry about
something that doesn't exists..... and that is what Gary is talking about.....
god is a thesis that we have no need of..... and thus we reject god,
and all the other crap that comes with a belief in god....

Kropotkin

[Walker]

... but one can be an atheist without blaming god for ''every perceived wrong''
Kropotkin

However as I said, one cannot be an atheist and blame God. Gary does blame God, and adds the qualifier (fudge factor) ... IF.

[attofishpi]

Gary hates God and blames God for every perceived wrong. Atheists reject the premise of God.

K: hang on there cowboy,... you are projecting in a major way.....
now I can't speak for Gary, but I can speak for Atheists,
now whither or not Gary, ''hates god'' is irrelevant, but one can
be an atheist without blaming god for ''every perceived wrong''

Wow, Kropo, for someone that wants to be recongnised as some genius of philosophy you can't even comprehend that Walker IS NOT saying atheists blame God for everything. That would be ridiculours anyway since they have no comprehension on the FACT that God exists.

[Peter Kropotkin]

Gary hates God and blames God for every perceived wrong. Atheists reject the premise of God.

K: hang on there cowboy,... you are projecting in a major way.....
now I can't speak for Gary, but I can speak for Atheists,
now whither or not Gary, ''hates god'' is irrelevant, but one can
be an atheist without blaming god for ''every perceived wrong''

Wow, Kropo, for someone that wants to be recongnised as some genius of philosophy you can't even comprehend that Walker IS NOT saying atheists blame God for everything. That would be ridiculours anyway since they have no comprehension on the FACT that God exists.

K: two things, A, the complaint that Atheists blame god for everything is a
complaint that has been around for a long, long time... I have seen it before,
and B. that are no facts that god actually exists... there is no evidence,
no facts, nothing to support the idea that god does exist...

Kropotkin

[attofishpi]

K: hang on there cowboy,... you are projecting in a major way.....
now I can't speak for Gary, but I can speak for Atheists,
now whither or not Gary, ''hates god'' is irrelevant, but one can
be an atheist without blaming god for ''every perceived wrong''

Wow, Kropo, for someone that wants to be recongnised as some genius of philosophy you can't even comprehend that Walker IS NOT saying atheists blame God for everything. That would be ridiculours anyway since they have no comprehension on the FACT that God exists.

K: two things, A, the complaint that Atheists blame god for everything is a
complaint that has been around for a long, long time... I have seen it before,
and B. that are no facts that god actually exists... there is no evidence,
no facts, nothing to support the idea that god does exist...

Kropotkin

There is evidence, it's presented clearly here:- "The Divine Etymology Argument" by Andrew Seas. Have a look, maybe start a thread to discount what is being presented as EVIDENCE.

https://www.androcies.com/Prose/DivineE ... ewSeas.pdf

[Peter Kropotkin]

Wow, Kropo, for someone that wants to be recongnised as some genius of philosophy you can't even comprehend that Walker IS NOT saying atheists blame God for everything. That would be ridiculours anyway since they have no comprehension on the FACT that God exists.

K: two things, A, the complaint that Atheists blame god for everything is a
complaint that has been around for a long, long time... I have seen it before,
and B. that are no facts that god actually exists... there is no evidence,
no facts, nothing to support the idea that god does exist...

Kropotkin

There is evidence, it's presented clearly here:- "The Divine Etymology Argument" by Andrew Seas. Have a look, maybe start a thread to discount what is being presented as EVIDENCE.

https://www.androcies.com/Prose/DivineE ... ewSeas.pdf

K: wow, I haven't read such a pile of crap in quite a while.... basing it on
English? I would have far more impressed if the author had used Hebrew or
even Greek... Modern English is fairly new, try reading Shakespeare to get some
sense of how much English has changed in only 400 years...so, what looks
like it makes perfect sense in modern English, it wouldn't have made sense just
a couple of hundred years ago.....
and in reading it carefully, the basic premise is that god exists and here
is why... there is no doubt of any kind in this work of fiction....

this piece just plays word games and tries to sound important when it
is really offering us a shit sandwich...it is just assumptions and bad word
games that's in this pile of doggy crap....

I can't impress upon you how devoid of evidence or facts is in this paper....
there is nothing even pretending to be a fact or evidence proving
that god exist.... and if you take this seriously, I have to begin really doubting
your ability to think intelligently.....what a waste of 15 minutes of my life...

Kropotkin

[attofishpi]

K: two things, A, the complaint that Atheists blame god for everything is a
complaint that has been around for a long, long time... I have seen it before,
and B. that are no facts that god actually exists... there is no evidence,
no facts, nothing to support the idea that god does exist...

Kropotkin

There is evidence, it's presented clearly here:- "The Divine Etymology Argument" by Andrew Seas. Have a look, maybe start a thread to discount what is being presented as EVIDENCE.

https://www.androcies.com/Prose/DivineE ... ewSeas.pdf

K: wow, I haven't read such a pile of crap in quite a while.... basing it on
English? I would have far more impressed if the author had used Hebrew or
even Greek... Modern English is fairly new, try reading Shakespeare to get some
sense of how much English has changed in only 400 years...

I really didn't expect someone of your meagre intellect to comprehend it.


Did you miss the reasoning behind as to why the anomalies within key words are embedded within present day English? That it is the common language for communication around the planet, hence a decent enough reason that IF there is a God operating throughout our entire reality, that IT would show such evidence within this planet wide language.

so, what looks
like it makes perfect sense in modern English, it wouldn't have made sense just
a couple of hundred years ago.....

YES idiot. What part of that are you not grasping, that God operating throughout ALL matter has brought this language (around KEY words) into their present form.

and in reading it carefully, the basic premise is that god exists and here
is why... there is no doubt of any kind in this work of fiction....

this piece just plays word games and tries to sound important when it
is really offering us a shit sandwich...it is just assumptions and bad word
games that's in this pile of doggy crap....

I can't impress upon you how devoid of evidence or facts is in this paper....
there is nothing even pretending to be a fact or evidence proving
that god exist.... and if you take this seriously, I have to begin really doubting
your ability to think intelligently.....what a waste of 15 minutes of my life...

Either you skimmed it at best, or you really are intellectually inept. Your responses here are way off the mark as to what is being said within the argument and low level ad-hominem attacks prove you are an imbecile of "philosophy".


Explain away this one genius:
Statistical Improbability supporting P1:

The letters within the English alphabet are very interesting with regards to their phonetics that are identical to the sounds of words.
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z.

Examples are (and not limited to):
Y = WHY
O = OWE
U = YOU

Statistically, the likelihood of any of these being mere coincidences is extremely remote.
With approximately 170,000 words in current use within the Oxford English Dictionary and 22 words phonetically identical to letters, the odds of, for instance, Y being equal to WHY are calculated at:

1 in 7,692 or 0.00013 (0.013%)

But of course, the odds are far more remote than even that. Y for example could sound like anything that our larynx is capable of resonating..

[Walker]

K: two things, A, the complaint that Atheists blame god for everything is a
complaint that has been around for a long, long time... I have seen it before,
Kropotkin

I've not seen that one before. God haters believe in God. Atheists don't hate God, and no one's complaining about that. Just the God haters are complaining.

You must be looking in irrational places, Kropotkin.

[Dontaskme]

K:

this piece just plays word games and tries to sound important when it
is really offering us a shit sandwich...it is just assumptions and bad word
games that's in this pile of doggy crap....

Every human story-teller who writes about their fantasy invisible friend, likes the smell of their own shit.

It's when they attempt to rub their shit under the noses of other people, as if they are trying to prove to them it's factual provable validity. They are basically just selling ice to an eskimo. And people are not that stupid as to be fooled into buying it.

Beware of other peoples offerings of God, who constantly plug their website, hollering, hey everyone, look at my shit, this shit is legit, it's the only one and true doggy doo free path to truth, so follow me, I have a clear way for you.

Point is, we can only walk our own paths, and do not need other people telling us their story, as if their story ought to be the way for someone else. And that they should and ought to understand it, else they are a dim-wit worthless piece of unintelligence.

People who speak like that to others, are caught up in their own self-serving, controlling agenda pushing, imposing, cultish arrogant behaviour.

Either you skimmed it at best, or you really are intellectually inept. Your responses here are way off the mark as to what is being said within the argument and low level ad-hominem attacks prove you are an imbecile of "philosophy".

Why's that? just because it's not someone else's cup of tea, is your frustration triggered because you think you are the only expert of 'philosophy' and far more qualified to discount others as unworthy of intelligent philosophy. Are you the chief authoritarian on these matters now? just because you say so. Well I don't know, your shit must be so overpowering, that it seems to have reduced you to the unconsciousness of other great minds, just like yourself.

[attofishpi]

Here, since you are no good at philosophy (it requires a rational mind) find a hobby more suited to your intellectual incompetence:

https://www.opportunityvillage.org/disa ... sabilities

[Dontaskme]

Here, since you are no good at philosophy (it requires a rational mind) find a hobby more suited to your intellectual incompetence:

Stop telling people what they should and ought to do with their lives. It just makes you look like a twat.

If you want to be admired for your work, then try work on being admirable. So far, I see you are failing yourself, from where I'm looking. I am saying this because you have egg on your face and didn't know it, so I step in to be your mirror.

[attofishpi]

Egg on my face eh? All it takes in philosophy is for Kropotkin to provide reasonable replies to what I have stated.

[Peter Kropotkin]

Egg on my face eh? All it takes in philosophy is for Kropotkin to provide reasonable replies to what I have stated.

K: the problem, among many other things, is that your ''piece'' is
not rational, is not reasonable, is not logical... it is mysticism based
on letters and numbers.... not unlike Jewish Kabbalah....
where a letter or a number is found to have mystical properties...
and that isn't philosophy...and that isn't being rational....

and the underlining ''fact'' that runs through the entire piece is that
god is already a given... that isn't philosophy, that is theology...
and for me, the worst part is that you haven't proven a thing...
it is a whole lot of mumbo jumbo that is incoherent babbling...
it isn't much different than finding a penny on the ground and then
saying, see, that proves, PROVES that god exists.... it is just
a penny.... nothing more...it is taking numbers and giving them
attributes that logically or rationally, don't lie within that number.....

a number 10, is my favorite number, has mystical properties because
it is my favorite number...the number 10 proves that god exists.....
at that point, you are no longer rational, logical, reasonable or
objective.. now how is one supposed to give a ''reasonable'' response
to something that isn't reasonable, isn't logical, isn't rational,
but is basically mysticism, and mysticism of the worse kind...

Kropotkin