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there is no statue of limitations in morality

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You can only be responsible for the mistakes of the past to the extent you are the same person today. Part of overcoming past mistakes is present redress. If direct restitution isn't possible or counterproductive, less direct means are acceptable, but you must directly and explicitly accept it as a personal priority until that debt is more than satisfied.
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Advocate wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:49 am You can only be responsible for the mistakes of the past to the extent you are the same person today. Part of overcoming past mistakes is present redress. If direct restitution isn't possible or counterproductive, less direct means are acceptable, but you must directly and explicitly accept it as a personal priority until that debt is more than satisfied.
It depends who is "keeping score" on past and present violations of moral codes. If the injured party gets to decide, then they may "pardon" or forgive you, such that the slate is wiped clean. OTOH if the Universe is "keeping score", then sure, maybe you have to make amends even if no one cares if you do.
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You can only be responsible for the mistakes of the past to the extent you are the same person today. Part of overcoming past mistakes is present redress. If direct restitution isn't possible or counterproductive, less direct means are acceptable, but you must directly and explicitly accept it as a personal priority until that debt is more than satisfied.
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It depends who is "keeping score" on past and present violations of moral codes. If the injured party gets to decide, then they may "pardon" or forgive you, such that the slate is wiped clean. OTOH if the Universe is "keeping score", then sure, maybe you have to make amends even if no one cares if you do.
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Before that can n be considered, everyone has to walk this path for themselves for it to be legitimate. For society to have personal responsibility, everyone must be given the freedom to screw up and the freedom to try to fix any damage they cause on their own.
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LuckyR wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:36 am
Advocate wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:49 am You can only be responsible for the mistakes of the past to the extent you are the same person today. Part of overcoming past mistakes is present redress. If direct restitution isn't possible or counterproductive, less direct means are acceptable, but you must directly and explicitly accept it as a personal priority until that debt is more than satisfied.
It depends who is "keeping score" on past and present violations of moral codes. If the injured party gets to decide, then they may "pardon" or forgive you, such that the slate is wiped clean. OTOH if the Universe is "keeping score", then sure, maybe you have to make amends even if no one cares if you do.
But a 'mistake', by definition, was not intentional, so there is absolute nothing to 'amend' in regards to the Universe, nor to any Truly mature and grown up human being.
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Advocate wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 2:44 am
LuckyR wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:36 am
Advocate wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:49 am You can only be responsible for the mistakes of the past to the extent you are the same person today. Part of overcoming past mistakes is present redress. If direct restitution isn't possible or counterproductive, less direct means are acceptable, but you must directly and explicitly accept it as a personal priority until that debt is more than satisfied.
It depends who is "keeping score" on past and present violations of moral codes. If the injured party gets to decide, then they may "pardon" or forgive you, such that the slate is wiped clean. OTOH if the Universe is "keeping score", then sure, maybe you have to make amends even if no one cares if you do.
Before that can n be considered, everyone has to walk this path for themselves for it to be legitimate. For society to have personal responsibility, everyone must be given the freedom to screw up and the freedom to try to fix any damage they cause on their own.
The whole reason God does not intervene, as some human beings hope and wish for, is because 'you', human beings, learn best by and from your mistakes. That is, of course, only if you own up to them and take and accept full responsibility for them.
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Advocate wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 2:44 am
LuckyR wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:36 am
Advocate wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:49 am You can only be responsible for the mistakes of the past to the extent you are the same person today. Part of overcoming past mistakes is present redress. If direct restitution isn't possible or counterproductive, less direct means are acceptable, but you must directly and explicitly accept it as a personal priority until that debt is more than satisfied.
It depends who is "keeping score" on past and present violations of moral codes. If the injured party gets to decide, then they may "pardon" or forgive you, such that the slate is wiped clean. OTOH if the Universe is "keeping score", then sure, maybe you have to make amends even if no one cares if you do.
Before that can n be considered, everyone has to walk this path for themselves for it to be legitimate. For society to have personal responsibility, everyone must be given the freedom to screw up and the freedom to try to fix any damage they cause on their own.
What do you mean: "given the freedom"? Given by whom? Do you not have that freedom right now?
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Age wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:39 am
LuckyR wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:36 am
Advocate wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:49 am You can only be responsible for the mistakes of the past to the extent you are the same person today. Part of overcoming past mistakes is present redress. If direct restitution isn't possible or counterproductive, less direct means are acceptable, but you must directly and explicitly accept it as a personal priority until that debt is more than satisfied.
It depends who is "keeping score" on past and present violations of moral codes. If the injured party gets to decide, then they may "pardon" or forgive you, such that the slate is wiped clean. OTOH if the Universe is "keeping score", then sure, maybe you have to make amends even if no one cares if you do.
But a 'mistake', by definition, was not intentional, so there is absolute nothing to 'amend' in regards to the Universe, nor to any Truly mature and grown up human being.
You're overthinking it. I don't believe he means "mistake", since he's speaking of moral code violations.
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the statue of limitations is a wall

morality written by a legislature isn't worth the paper upon which it's written...

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LuckyR wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:56 pm
Age wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:39 am
LuckyR wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:36 am

It depends who is "keeping score" on past and present violations of moral codes. If the injured party gets to decide, then they may "pardon" or forgive you, such that the slate is wiped clean. OTOH if the Universe is "keeping score", then sure, maybe you have to make amends even if no one cares if you do.
But a 'mistake', by definition, was not intentional, so there is absolute nothing to 'amend' in regards to the Universe, nor to any Truly mature and grown up human being.
You're overthinking it.
Is it only 'this'?

Could it not be the case that 'it' was being under thought, or not being thought about fully, completely, nor enough?
LuckyR wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:56 pm I don't believe he means "mistake", since he's speaking of moral code violations.
What you 'believe' or do 'not believe' is of no real concern nor importance here.

What is actually Truly important is that the 'mistake' word was used. AND, if 'mistake' was NOT what was MEANT, then I suggest finding and using ANOTHER word, instead.

Now, if you do not believe that 'mistake' was meant, then what do you think or believe was meant, instead?

LOL also is speaking of 'moral code violations' when what 'moral code obedience and/or observation' was highly unlikely even agreed with and by even just two of 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this is being written?
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Impenitent wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:51 pm the statue of limitations is a wall

morality written by a legislature isn't worth the paper upon which it's written...

-Imp
Morality, itself, is written, and known, within. Morality was just unconsciously known to most, hitherto the days when this is being written.

So, just about a truer word could not be said in regards to what was written above here about Morality being written by legislature not being worth the paper upon which it is written.

Morality is what is KNOWN, within, and which absolutely every one just agrees with and accepts anyway.
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True. There is no 'STATUE' of limitations anywhere. What does this 'statue' look like? FFS.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:23 am True. There is no 'STATUE' of limitations anywhere. What does this 'statue' look like? FFS.
I believe that ‘STATUTE’ is the intended term.
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commonsense wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 2:25 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:23 am True. There is no 'STATUE' of limitations anywhere. What does this 'statue' look like? FFS.
I believe that ‘STATUTE’ is the intended term.
“Statue,” is more interesting and perhaps even more relevant to philosophy, if only by accident.

Bird in Space by Brancusi is the essence of grace. It’s also abstract art, which requires thought. A thinker quickly realizes that any addition to Bird in Space, the essence of grace, would be a limitation upon the work that is the essence of grace, and thus create a mundane statue of limitations, which is why Brancusi didn’t tack on a set of wings.

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Age wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:12 am
LuckyR wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:56 pm
Age wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:39 am

But a 'mistake', by definition, was not intentional, so there is absolute nothing to 'amend' in regards to the Universe, nor to any Truly mature and grown up human being.
You're overthinking it.
Is it only 'this'?

Could it not be the case that 'it' was being under thought, or not being thought about fully, completely, nor enough?
LuckyR wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 6:56 pm I don't believe he means "mistake", since he's speaking of moral code violations.
What you 'believe' or do 'not believe' is of no real concern nor importance here.

What is actually Truly important is that the 'mistake' word was used. AND, if 'mistake' was NOT what was MEANT, then I suggest finding and using ANOTHER word, instead.

Now, if you do not believe that 'mistake' was meant, then what do you think or believe was meant, instead?

LOL also is speaking of 'moral code violations' when what 'moral code obedience and/or observation' was highly unlikely even agreed with and by even just two of 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this is being written?
Ha ha, there's plenty of blather that is of no real concern or importance here. Look in the mirror, son.
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Advocate wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:49 am You can only be responsible for the mistakes of the past to the extent you are the same person today. Part of overcoming past mistakes is present redress. If direct restitution isn't possible or counterproductive, less direct means are acceptable, but you must directly and explicitly accept it as a personal priority until that debt is more than satisfied.
Why?
What sort of debt?
What is reponsibility?
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