Exploring the idea of an incorrect question

[PeteOlcott]

The key distinction that I am making here is that the above is an
incorrect question when posed to Carol, thus not a correct question
that Carol simply cannot answer (as if she was mute).

I have a little trouble with the grammar in the above, but yes, I get that the question is problematic when aimed at Carol, but not if it's aimed at someone else. I was just playing around with the little girl question and context effects. I would say it is almost an incorrect question, given your use of incorrect questions, though it's not almost incorrect because it is aimed at the 10 year old female. It is still almost incorrect if someone else is asked about that 10 years the same way.

But I think it is going to be hard for me and perhaps others to be wowed by this idea until we know all the things you are withholding. I assume you are protecting your conclusions so you can publish first or the like. But whatever the reason, here we are.

Mostly I am withholding the key element to prevent a biased assessment
of my questions. Do you agree that Carol's question is incorrect when posed
to Carol? Or is it a perfectly correct question that for some undisclosed
reason Carol just can't answer?

[Iwannaplato]

Mostly I am withholding the key element to prevent a biased assessment
of my questions. Do you agree that Carol's question is incorrect when posed
to Carol? Or is it a perfectly correct question that for some undisclosed
reason Carol just can't answer?

Well, as said, I don't really like the idea of an incorrect question. It seems off as a category. But I agree that there's no good answer for Carol.

I did a little googling on the idea of 'incorrect question' and it is used (also 'wrong question' and not in the sense of 'that's the wrong question to ask me, you should ask __________________.) So, I see that in terms of usage 'incorrect question' out there. And this does not, of course, mean that I think it is a correct question.

[PeteOlcott]

Mostly I am withholding the key element to prevent a biased assessment
of my questions. Do you agree that Carol's question is incorrect when posed
to Carol? Or is it a perfectly correct question that for some undisclosed
reason Carol just can't answer?

Well, as said, I don't really like the idea of an incorrect question. It seems off as a category. But I agree that there's no good answer for Carol.

I did a little googling on the idea of 'incorrect question' and it is used (also 'wrong question' and not in the sense of 'that's the wrong question to ask me, you should ask __________________.) So, I see that in terms of usage 'incorrect question' out there. And this does not, of course, mean that I think it is a correct question.

An incorrect polar (yes/no) question is any question that lacks a
correct answer because it contradicts both yes and no answers. I
think that this is a brand new idea that started with me back in 2004.

The reason that I call this an incorrect question is that it correctly
places the blame for the lack of answer on the question rather than
assuming some fault of the one answering.

[Impenitent]

An incorrect polar (yes/no) question is any question that lacks a
correct answer because it contradicts both yes and no answers. I
think that this is a brand new idea that started with me back in 2004.

The reason that I call this an incorrect question is that it correctly
places the blame for the lack of answer on the question rather than
assuming some fault of the one answering.

are questions that depend on time and clarification of meaning incorrect?

are you hungry?

-Imp

[Iwannaplato]

Mostly I am withholding the key element to prevent a biased assessment
of my questions. Do you agree that Carol's question is incorrect when posed
to Carol? Or is it a perfectly correct question that for some undisclosed
reason Carol just can't answer?

Well, as said, I don't really like the idea of an incorrect question. It seems off as a category. But I agree that there's no good answer for Carol.

I did a little googling on the idea of 'incorrect question' and it is used (also 'wrong question' and not in the sense of 'that's the wrong question to ask me, you should ask __________________.) So, I see that in terms of usage 'incorrect question' out there. And this does not, of course, mean that I think it is a correct question.

An incorrect polar (yes/no) question is any question that lacks a
correct answer because it contradicts both yes and no answers. I
think that this is a brand new idea that started with me back in 2004.

The reason that I call this an incorrect question is that it correctly
places the blame for the lack of answer on the question rather than
assuming some fault of the one answering.

One could place the blame on the question with different adjectives or descriptions of the questions or problems with the questions. And this avoids blaming the potential answerer. But, hey, again. Others do allow such an adjective for questions.

[PeteOlcott]

An incorrect polar (yes/no) question is any question that lacks a
correct answer because it contradicts both yes and no answers. I
think that this is a brand new idea that started with me back in 2004.

The reason that I call this an incorrect question is that it correctly
places the blame for the lack of answer on the question rather than
assuming some fault of the one answering.

are questions that depend on time and clarification of meaning incorrect?

are you hungry?

-Imp

Questions that have no correct answer because of some fault
of the question are incorrect.

My first example was: "What time is it (yes or no)?"

[PeteOlcott]

Well, as said, I don't really like the idea of an incorrect question. It seems off as a category. But I agree that there's no good answer for Carol.

I did a little googling on the idea of 'incorrect question' and it is used (also 'wrong question' and not in the sense of 'that's the wrong question to ask me, you should ask __________________.) So, I see that in terms of usage 'incorrect question' out there. And this does not, of course, mean that I think it is a correct question.

An incorrect polar (yes/no) question is any question that lacks a
correct answer because it contradicts both yes and no answers. I
think that this is a brand new idea that started with me back in 2004.

The reason that I call this an incorrect question is that it correctly
places the blame for the lack of answer on the question rather than
assuming some fault of the one answering.

One could place the blame on the question with different adjectives or descriptions of the questions or problems with the questions. And this avoids blaming the potential answerer. But, hey, again. Others do allow such an adjective for questions.

My research goal crucially relies on the concept of an incorrect question
and utterly fails without it.

An incorrect question is any question that lacks a correct answer because
of some fault of the question.

Unless the concept of {incorrect question} is completely established
people will simply incorrectly conclude that it is some short-coming
of the one answering.

When we ask: Why can't Carol answer the question correctly?
we can rule out everything besides the fact that the question is incorrect.
She is not mute, she is not stupid, she does understand the words...

[Iwannaplato]

My research goal crucially relies on the concept of an incorrect question
and utterly fails without it.

I think it may be hard to get the proper feedback when we are skirting around specifics.

An incorrect question is any question that lacks a correct answer because
of some fault of the question.

I understand your view here.

Unless the concept of {incorrect question} is completely established
people will simply incorrectly conclude that it is some short-coming
of the one answering.

I don't think that's the case. I think people could understand the idea of a questions that limits answers to false or self-contradictory ones. Or questions that have false assumptions in them that make them impossible to answer correctly. I've also thought there is something like a false dilemma in the question. Though I haven't found a good way to word this.

In any case, I am quite sure people would understand that the problem lies in the question with a variety of different labels and descriptions. But, again, hey this is my balking at 'incorrect'. I'm not convinced by the argument that without that term people will blame the responders and I don't like incorrect. Others won't be bothered by the latter.

When we ask: Why can't Carol answer the question correctly?
we can rule out everything besides the fact that the question is incorrect.
She is not mute, she is not stupid, she does understand the words...

and saying 'the question does not allow a correct response (from Carol) also makes it clear. And, of course, Carol can make it clear. Her response doesn't have to be an answer to the question, it can be a critique of the question. If someone asked me that kind of question, I wouldn't be mute, and I'd have something to say. We are not bound by questions. They are requests for information or testing our knowledge or....but the intention of the question has no power over me - unless it's some kind of exam or job interview question. But even then, hey, I'm gonna respond but not answer the question.

[PeteOlcott]

My research goal crucially relies on the concept of an incorrect question
and utterly fails without it.

I think it may be hard to get the proper feedback when we are skirting around specifics.

An incorrect question is any question that lacks a correct answer because
of some fault of the question.

I understand your view here.

Unless the concept of {incorrect question} is completely established
people will simply incorrectly conclude that it is some short-coming
of the one answering.

I don't think that's the case. I think people could understand the idea of a questions that limits answers to false or self-contradictory ones. Or questions that have false assumptions in them that make them impossible to answer correctly. I've also thought there is something like a false dilemma in the question. Though I haven't found a good way to word this.

In any case, I am quite sure people would understand that the problem lies in the question with a variety of different labels and descriptions. But, again, hey this is my balking at 'incorrect'. I'm not convinced by the argument that without that term people will blame the responders and I don't like incorrect. Others won't be bothered by the latter.

When we ask: Why can't Carol answer the question correctly?
we can rule out everything besides the fact that the question is incorrect.
She is not mute, she is not stupid, she does understand the words...

and saying 'the question does not allow a correct response (from Carol) also makes it clear. And, of course, Carol can make it clear. Her response doesn't have to be an answer to the question, it can be a critique of the question. If someone asked me that kind of question, I wouldn't be mute, and I'd have something to say. We are not bound by questions. They are requests for information or testing our knowledge or....but the intention of the question has no power over me - unless it's some kind of exam or job interview question. But even then, hey, I'm gonna respond but not answer the question.

Carol's question is a perfect analog for undecidable decision problems.
Everyone always blames the software and not the input. It was a
computer science professor that wrote Carol's question.

When we understand that the only reason that Carol cannot
correctly answer the question is that there is something wrong
with it then we correctly blame the question and not Carol.

[Age]

I am proceeding to anchor the correct interpretation of the
precise meaning of the question in the situational context
of discourse analysis. In other words if we do not include
who is being asked then we do not get the correct meaning
of the actual question.

OK, I get a vague idea of how this can be useful. Using these problematic questions as a foot in the door to why context is necessary in general.

There is an enormously greater issue at stake here.
I can't even hint at that until I have a broad consensus.

WHY NOT?

Surely you COULD hint at the alleged 'greater issue at stake' WITHOUT ANY consensus, let alone a BROAD consensus, right?

[Age]

This seems to be true:
The pragmatics subfield of linguistics stipulates that a difference between
the derived meaning from ignoring situational context and not ignoring it
means that situational context cannot be correctly ignored.

I can't say I fully understand that sentence, but it seems to me context has radical effects on all forms of communication.
Which is why people who know each other in person, if their talk was transcribed into text, might seem to be not managing to communicate at all...while they were.

When I ask someone: "Are you a little girl?" then "yes" is correct
and "no" is correct depending on who I ask.

Does 'this' even NEED to be talked about, discussed, or even 'questioned'.

Does 'this' NOT just 'apply', WITHOUT 'saying', NOR WITHOUT even 'having to be thought over'?

From this we can understand that the question:
"Can Carol correctly answer "no" to this question?"

Does not have a correct yes or no answer when posed to Carol,
yet does have a correct "no" answer when posed to anyone else.

I note ALL the POINTS I raised earlier ABOUT 'this' ARE STILL being completely IGNORED.

[Age]

Mostly I am withholding the key element to prevent a biased assessment
of my questions. Do you agree that Carol's question is incorrect when posed
to Carol? Or is it a perfectly correct question that for some undisclosed
reason Carol just can't answer?

Well, as said, I don't really like the idea of an incorrect question. It seems off as a category. But I agree that there's no good answer for Carol.

I did a little googling on the idea of 'incorrect question' and it is used (also 'wrong question' and not in the sense of 'that's the wrong question to ask me, you should ask __________________.) So, I see that in terms of usage 'incorrect question' out there. And this does not, of course, mean that I think it is a correct question.

An incorrect polar (yes/no) question is any question that lacks a
correct answer because it contradicts both yes and no answers. I
think that this is a brand new idea that started with me back in 2004.

The reason that I call this an incorrect question is that it correctly
places the blame for the lack of answer on the question rather than
assuming some fault of the one answering.

Is the question:

Is the sun shining, (yes or no)?

A so-called 'correct' or 'incorrect' question, to 'you', "peteolcott"?

[Age]

...

[Age]

An incorrect polar (yes/no) question is any question that lacks a
correct answer because it contradicts both yes and no answers. I
think that this is a brand new idea that started with me back in 2004.

The reason that I call this an incorrect question is that it correctly
places the blame for the lack of answer on the question rather than
assuming some fault of the one answering.

One could place the blame on the question with different adjectives or descriptions of the questions or problems with the questions. And this avoids blaming the potential answerer. But, hey, again. Others do allow such an adjective for questions.

My research goal crucially relies on the concept of an incorrect question
and utterly fails without it.

The phrase or term 'research goal' although NOT necessarily an 'oxymoron' is VERY CLOSE, as well as being a VERY GOOD SIGN of 'confirmation bias' possibly being 'at play'.

Also, if 'you' just want that the 'concept' when 'you' USE the words 'incorrect question' just MEANS some particular 'thing', then just 'lay down' 'your terms' and/or 'conditions' for that term or phrase.

What is so hard or complex about 'this'?

In other words, just DEFINE 'your terms', or 'your words', in THE WAY you WANT them to be UNDERSTOOD and KNOWN.

An incorrect question is any question that lacks a correct answer because
of some fault of the question.

So, to "peteolcott", ANY question that does NOT possess a so-called 'correct answer' is a so-called 'incorrect question', right?

Unless the concept of {incorrect question} is completely established
people will simply incorrectly conclude that it is some short-coming
of the one answering.

But I have NEVER 'concluded' this here AT ALL. I ALSO do NOT envision that I EVER WILL do so in the future either. So, WHY do 'you' SAY and CLAIM this here?

To me, if one ASKS what you call an 'incorrect question', but which I would just call a 'Truly ABSURD or RIDICULOUS question', then I would NEVER 'conclude' that one who does NOT even attempt to answer 'that question' has some so-called 'short-coming'.

ASKING impossible to be ANSWERED QUESTIONS IS NEVER the FAULT of ANY one, but of 'the one' who posed, and ASKED 'that question', OBVIOUSLY.

Anyway, has absolutely ANY one ever even 'concluded' that an unable to be answered question' is the so-called 'fault' of 'the one' who the question is being directed at, or to?

If yes, then WHO, EXACTLY?

When we ask: Why can't Carol answer the question correctly?
we can rule out everything besides the fact that the question is incorrect.
She is not mute, she is not stupid, she does understand the words...

Okay, so we, now, agree that when you use the term or phrase 'incorrect question' what you are ACTUALLY MEANING and/or REFERRING TO is just 'ANY question that lacks a correct answer, (because of some fault of the question)'.

If 'this' is what you are SEEKING here, then can we MOVE ALONG? Or, are you STILL WAITING for MORE agreement, or consensus?

[Age]

My research goal crucially relies on the concept of an incorrect question
and utterly fails without it.

I think it may be hard to get the proper feedback when we are skirting around specifics.

An incorrect question is any question that lacks a correct answer because
of some fault of the question.

I understand your view here.

Unless the concept of {incorrect question} is completely established
people will simply incorrectly conclude that it is some short-coming
of the one answering.

I don't think that's the case. I think people could understand the idea of a questions that limits answers to false or self-contradictory ones. Or questions that have false assumptions in them that make them impossible to answer correctly. I've also thought there is something like a false dilemma in the question. Though I haven't found a good way to word this.

In any case, I am quite sure people would understand that the problem lies in the question with a variety of different labels and descriptions. But, again, hey this is my balking at 'incorrect'. I'm not convinced by the argument that without that term people will blame the responders and I don't like incorrect. Others won't be bothered by the latter.

When we ask: Why can't Carol answer the question correctly?
we can rule out everything besides the fact that the question is incorrect.
She is not mute, she is not stupid, she does understand the words...

and saying 'the question does not allow a correct response (from Carol) also makes it clear. And, of course, Carol can make it clear. Her response doesn't have to be an answer to the question, it can be a critique of the question. If someone asked me that kind of question, I wouldn't be mute, and I'd have something to say. We are not bound by questions. They are requests for information or testing our knowledge or....but the intention of the question has no power over me - unless it's some kind of exam or job interview question. But even then, hey, I'm gonna respond but not answer the question.

Carol's question is a perfect analog for undecidable decision problems.
Everyone always blames the software and not the input.

WHERE are 'you' GETTING these sweeping generalize CONCLUSIONS FROM, EXACTLY?

It was a
computer science professor that wrote Carol's question.

WHO CARES?

When we understand that the only reason that Carol cannot
correctly answer the question is that there is something wrong
with it then we correctly blame the question and not Carol.

1. When you USED the 'it' word here, you could be referring to a few 'things' here. So, if you want to be Truly, and FULLY, UNDERSTOOD, then I suggest you 'write Correctly', (for lack of a better word here now), and NOT Incorrectly.

2. I have NEVER EVER in my life BLAMED 'the receiver' of a question ON "the receiver", and do NOT intend to start either.

3. I have NEVER EVER in my life BLAMED 'the question' itself, and do NOT intend to start either.

4. To me the one who POSED 'the question' is 'the one' who, if there is ANY one, TO BLAME.

5. To me BLAMING 'the question', itself, is NOT doing 'things' here 'correctly'. For the way a 'created thing' IS, EXACTLY, is the fault of 'the creator', and NOT of 'the created thing', itself. So, WHY do you WANT to keep BLAMING 'the question', and while CLAIMING that 'this' IS the 'correct thing to do'?