Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:55 pm
Yes, most people renounce their Free-Will, of course. Why do you think they call themselves Determinists?
It is nowhere near most people who call themselves determinists. And Free-will, if it exists, cannot be renounced, or, better put, the renouncing would have no effect. They'd still be free.
The real problem is...how do you actually go about doing that?
Can you force yourself to forget the most memorable aspects of your life?
Wait, some parts of life show more free will than others. Free will can't have degrees.
One could strive for more freedom. One could fight back against external limitations.
But whatever you choose to do is a sign of free will if free will is the case. Every decision, even that of saying yes to a shitty tyrant of a boss. That's free will. There are no moments in a life that are not exuding free will, to the same degree.
This is where I think you are the other free willers are confused here.
YOu see free will is a certain attitude and set of actions in relation to authority.
Determinists can fight for their rights, resist authority, tell their bosses to go fuck themselves without in the slightest way being a hypocrite as a determinist.
George has a lot of free will.
That's a very confused statement.
My favorite moments in my life were when I enacted free will.
That's a very confused statement.
If you choose to knuckle under authority, that's a choice. If we have free will you exhibited as much free will as the guy who ran at the King with a sword.
You seem to view free will as a character trait: he was noble and free will.
Confused.
It's describing something fundamental about our nature and the nature of reality. It may be a correct model. I maybe an incorrect model. But it's not a matter of degree or something some people have or don't have.
It's not a synonym for feisty.