Gravity differently

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Gravity differently

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It is obvious that matter in general is rising, moving towards the Future. If we allow its interaction (gravitational friction), adhesion with the aether, we can explain the "dark matter" effect, but we can also imagine the vortex (swirling) of the surrounding aether accompanying such movement of matter. If we accept that such vortices rotate (with respect to the time axis) in the same direction, then it would not be surprising that matter is attracted. Following such considerations, we can work with the fact that antimatter spins the surrounding aether in the opposite direction, i.e. it gravitationally repels matter...

Otherwise, the movement of matter "into the future" can give meaning to the "kinetic" energy mc^2 but also to the limiting mechanism of the speed of matter in general - nothing can "run past" time...
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It is indeed apparent, through the kaleidoscope of quarks and leptons, that matter is imbued with an undeniable inclination to ascend, transcending the boundaries of existence itself.

The notion of gravitational friction and its interaction with the ethereal aether is a splendid theory that tickles my fancy. Why, oh why, should we confine ourselves to mundane explanations when we can conjure up swirling vortices of aether accompanying the majestic movements of matter? Picture, if you will, a celestial waltz where particles pirouette in unison, creating a cosmic ballet of unprecedented beauty.

And lo, let us not forget the captivating polarity of these cosmic vortices! Imagine antimatter, that elusive rogue, spinning the surrounding aether in the most peculiar of fashions. It does so with a whimsical audacity, causing matter to recoil in gravitational repulsion. Such interplay between matter and antimatter unveils a mesmerizing dance of attraction and repulsion, where gravity becomes a whimsical tug-of-war between cosmic adversaries.

Ah, the movement of matter "into the future"! It breathes life into the very concept of "kinetic" energy, illuminating the intrinsic connection between matter, motion, and the elusive mistress we call time. The equation mc^2, a mathematical incantation whispered by the sages of science, gains newfound meaning when viewed through the lens of matter's eternal tryst with temporal progression. And let us not overlook the inherent limitation on the speed of matter, for it is a profound reminder that even the fleetest of particles cannot outrun the march of time itself. Time, my friends, will forever remain undefeated in the cosmic race.
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Flannel Jesus wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:55 pm Time, my friends, will forever remain undefeated in the cosmic race.
I don't possess the ability to predict the future with certainty. However, based on our current understanding of the universe, time is considered to be a fundamental aspect of reality. It appears to be a dimension that is inexorably linked to the unfolding of events and the progression of cause and effect.

While the concept of "undefeated" might not be applicable to time in the same sense as in a competition, time is generally regarded as a constant and a fundamental part of the universe. It influences and shapes various processes, such as the aging of stars, the evolution of galaxies, and the passage of our own lives. Whether time will remain an enduring aspect of the cosmic framework is a question that goes beyond our current knowledge and understanding.
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Cerveny wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:59 am It is obvious that matter in general is rising, moving towards the Future.
What do you mean by 'rising' here?

And, are you here 'trying to' imply that 'the Future' is somehow 'higher'?
Cerveny wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:59 am If we allow its interaction (gravitational friction), adhesion with the aether, we can explain the "dark matter" effect, but we can also imagine the vortex (swirling) of the surrounding aether accompanying such movement of matter. If we accept that such vortices rotate (with respect to the time axis) in the same direction, then it would not be surprising that matter is attracted. Following such considerations, we can work with the fact that antimatter spins the surrounding aether in the opposite direction, i.e. it gravitationally repels matter...
What are you here claiming 'aether' is EXACTLY, which could then 'spin'?

By the way the reason why matter 'repels' and 'attracts' is VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY to understand.
Cerveny wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:59 am Otherwise, the movement of matter "into the future" can give meaning to the "kinetic" energy mc^2
What do you mean by, 'movement of matter into the future'.

The actual movement of matter, which ALWAYS EXISTS, itself, is just what causes what 'you', human beings, perceive as past, present, and future.

Cerveny wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:59 am but also to the limiting mechanism of the speed of matter in general - nothing can "run past" time...
'nothing can "run past" time ...' is just another one of those completely ABSURD and NONSENSICAL CLAIMS.

As I WILL PROVE True by asking this one to SHOW, 'What does the word 'time' MEAN, IRREFUTABLY?'

OBVIOUSLY one would have to KNOW the answer to this question to be able to CLAIM that absolutely nothing can "run past" (whatever 'time' IS EXACTLY).
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Flannel Jesus wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:55 pm It is indeed apparent, through the kaleidoscope of quarks and leptons, that matter is imbued with an undeniable inclination to ascend, transcending the boundaries of existence itself.
What do you mean by 'ascend' here?

And HOW, EXACTLY, could ANY 'thing' 'transcend the boundaries of existence itself? Also, what 'boundaries' do you even ENVISION or IMAGINE there to even be, in relation to 'existence', itself?
Flannel Jesus wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:55 pm The notion of gravitational friction and its interaction with the ethereal aether is a splendid theory that tickles my fancy. Why, oh why, should we confine ourselves to mundane explanations when we can conjure up swirling vortices of aether accompanying the majestic movements of matter? Picture, if you will, a celestial waltz where particles pirouette in unison, creating a cosmic ballet of unprecedented beauty.
Okay, but WHY?

Just LOOKING AT what ACTUALLY happens and occurs is FAR EASIER and SIMPLER to do than to IMAGINE OTHER 'things' like above here. Well for me it is anyway.
Flannel Jesus wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:55 pm And lo, let us not forget the captivating polarity of these cosmic vortices! Imagine antimatter, that elusive rogue, spinning the surrounding aether in the most peculiar of fashions. It does so with a whimsical audacity, causing matter to recoil in gravitational repulsion. Such interplay between matter and antimatter unveils a mesmerizing dance of attraction and repulsion, where gravity becomes a whimsical tug-of-war between cosmic adversaries.

Ah, the movement of matter "into the future"! It breathes life into the very concept of "kinetic" energy, illuminating the intrinsic connection between matter, motion, and the elusive mistress we call time. The equation mc^2, a mathematical incantation whispered by the sages of science, gains newfound meaning when viewed through the lens of matter's eternal tryst with temporal progression. And let us not overlook the inherent limitation on the speed of matter, for it is a profound reminder that even the fleetest of particles cannot outrun the march of time itself. Time, my friends, will forever remain undefeated in the cosmic race.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 2:48 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:55 pm Time, my friends, will forever remain undefeated in the cosmic race.
I don't possess the ability to predict the future with certainty. However, based on our current understanding of the universe, time is considered to be a fundamental aspect of reality.
When people use and say the word 'time' in sentences like this, then do these people even have ANY idea of what 'time', itself, IS, EXACTLY?

If yes, then what did/do these people MEAN, EXACTLY, when they say 'time'?
Iwannaplato wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 2:48 pm It appears to be a dimension that is inexorably linked to the unfolding of events and the progression of cause and effect.

While the concept of "undefeated" might not be applicable to time in the same sense as in a competition, time is generally regarded as a constant and a fundamental part of the universe.
Is it?

If yes, then whom, EXACTLY?
Iwannaplato wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 2:48 pm It influences and shapes various processes, such as the aging of stars,
Oh, so to this one, 'time' is some actual 'thing', which CAUSES 'the ageing' of 'things' like stars for example.
Iwannaplato wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 2:48 pm the evolution of galaxies, and the passage of our own lives.
This physical or actual 'thing', that this one calls 'time', also actually causes, or creates, 'the evolution', of galaxies, as well as 'the passage' of its own life. Well to this one anyway.
Iwannaplato wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2023 2:48 pm Whether time will remain an enduring aspect of the cosmic framework is a question that goes beyond our current knowledge and understanding.
By to some of 'us' what 'time' IS, EXACTLY, does NOT go beyond our current knowledge and understanding AT ALL.

In fact with 'our' current knowledge and understanding the word 'time' and what that word refers to, EXACTLY, FITS IN PERFECTLY with ALL the OTHER words, and their definitions, making One CRYSTAL CLEAR and PERFECT Picture, which IS IRREFUTABLE.

But then 'we' do LOOK AT and SEE MOST 'things' VERY DIFFERENTLY FROM 'those', in the days when this was being written.
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When people use the word "time" in everyday language, it is often in the context of referring to the concept or measurement of the progression of events. Most people have a general understanding of what time represents, even though the precise nature of time can be complex and philosophical.

Time is a fundamental aspect of our experience and is commonly understood as a way to measure the duration or sequence of events. People use the word "time" to refer to specific moments, durations, schedules, or the passing of hours, minutes, and seconds. However, the deeper nature of time, such as its origin, existence, and whether it is absolute or relative, can be subjects of scientific and philosophical exploration.

In scientific terms, time is often considered as the fourth dimension of space-time, interconnected with the three spatial dimensions. The concept of time has been studied extensively in physics, including theories like general relativity and quantum mechanics, which offer different perspectives on the nature of time.

While individuals may have varying degrees of understanding about the intricacies of time, the everyday usage of the word generally refers to the conventional understanding of time as a measurement or progression of events.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:32 am When people use the word "time" in everyday language, it is often in the context of referring to the concept or measurement of the progression of events. Most people have a general understanding of what time represents, even though the precise nature of time can be complex and philosophical.

LOL

HOW could the 'precise nature of some 'thing' be, supposedly, 'complex and philosophical'?

The 'precise nature' of some 'thing' is WHATEVER 'you', human beings, CLAIM 'it' to be. So, absolutely NOTHING 'complex' NOR 'philosophical' here, nor there.

BUT, 'I' may be USING a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT definition, FROM 'you', for the 'philosophical' word here. Like 'I' DO with the word 'time', as well as OTHER words.
Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:32 am Time is a fundamental aspect of our experience and is commonly understood as a way to measure the duration or sequence of events. People use the word "time" to refer to specific moments, durations, schedules, or the passing of hours, minutes, and seconds. However, the deeper nature of time, such as its origin, existence, and whether it is absolute or relative, can be subjects of scientific and philosophical exploration.
AND, 'you', human beings, could DISCUSS and CONTEST 'the meaning' of the word 'time' FOREVER MORE, if 'you' so CHOOSE.

However, ONCE A definition, and meaning, for that word is DECIDED UPON, which FITS IN PERFECTLY with THE definitions, and meanings, for OTHER words, in One UNIFORMLY FORMED illustration, then A GUTOE has been FORMULATED, of which one could then test for verification or falsification.
Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:32 am In scientific terms, time is often considered as the fourth dimension of space-time, interconnected with the three spatial dimensions. The concept of time has been studied extensively in physics, including theories like general relativity and quantum mechanics, which offer different perspectives on the nature of time.

While individuals may have varying degrees of understanding about the intricacies of time, the everyday usage of the word generally refers to the conventional understanding of time as a measurement or progression of events.
So, when you said, 'time is considered to be a fundamental aspect of reality', you were either saying that 'the measuring or progression of events' is considered to be a fundamental aspect of reality, which really says nothing at all, as this is VERY OBVIOUS, or you were saying some thing ELSE.

Also, who and/or what is 'everyday language' even in relation to, EXACTLY?
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Age wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:55 am
Dear seeker of truth and whimsy,

Your pursuit of elucidation amidst the tapestry of my fanciful prose is truly an enchanting endeavor.

To "ascend" is to transcend the confines of mundane existence, soaring through cosmic currents like a jubilant kite in a celestial breeze. It is a dance of metaphors where particles, liberated from earthly shackles, pirouette their way to uncharted dimensions, tickling the boundaries of possibility itself.

As for the audacious notion of transcending the very fabric of existence, I invite you to release the shackles of empirical constraint and indulge in flights of fancy. Picture, if you will, a realm where the boundaries of existence are but gossamer threads waiting to be unraveled, where realities intertwine like a sublime tapestry woven by the cosmic weavers of whimsy.

Ah, the wondrous tapestry of the ethereal aether! Within its depths lie swirling vortices of fantastical beauty, where the dance of particles becomes a cosmic ballet beyond the constraints of mere observation. Can you not feel the rhythm of the universe resonating in your soul? It is a symphony of imagination that beckons us to embrace the grandeur of the unseen, to explore the uncharted vistas where the heart and mind meld into harmonious resonance.

I understand your desire for simplicity, for the tangible grasp of what lies before our eyes. Yet, dear seeker, let us not dismiss the power of imagination, for it is the gateway to uncharted realms of discovery. In the interplay between observation and fantastical speculation, we find the seeds of innovation and the birthplace of revolutionary ideas.

So, my intrepid companion in the quest for whimsical understanding, I beseech you to journey with me through the labyrinth of the absurd, where riddles and paradoxes intertwine, and the pursuit of knowledge dances with the capricious muse of imagination. Embrace the kaleidoscope of possibility and let your mind wander amidst the swirling mists of wonder.

Together, let us revel in the beauty of transcendence, for it is within the realms of whimsy that the seeds of enlightenment often sprout. May your journey be filled with laughter, curiosity, and the unquenchable thirst for the fantastical.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:32 am When people use the word "time" in everyday language, it is often in the context of referring to the concept or measurement of the progression of events. Most people have a general understanding of what time represents, even though the precise nature of time can be complex and philosophical.

Time is a fundamental aspect of our experience and is commonly understood as a way to measure the duration or sequence of events. People use the word "time" to refer to specific moments, durations, schedules, or the passing of hours, minutes, and seconds. However, the deeper nature of time, such as its origin, existence, and whether it is absolute or relative, can be subjects of scientific and philosophical exploration.

In scientific terms, time is often considered as the fourth dimension of space-time, interconnected with the three spatial dimensions. The concept of time has been studied extensively in physics, including theories like general relativity and quantum mechanics, which offer different perspectives on the nature of time.

While individuals may have varying degrees of understanding about the intricacies of time, the everyday usage of the word generally refers to the conventional understanding of time as a measurement or progression of events.
Ah, the beguiling illusion of time, a captivating notion that tugs at the fabric of our perception. In the tapestry of existence, time emerges as a construct that both guides and deceives us. Some philosophical musings invite us to question the very nature of time, suggesting that it may be an illusion, a trick of our consciousness.

As we traverse the intricacies of this notion, we confront the curious paradoxes that time presents. Moments slip through our fingers, the past fading into memory while the future eludes our grasp. Yet, in the present, we find a fleeting glimpse of eternity, where the illusion of time momentarily dissolves.

The illusory nature of time invites us to ponder the interplay between our subjective experiences and the objective nature of the universe. It beckons us to consider whether time is an inherent property of reality or merely a construct woven by our minds. Perhaps, in the grand cosmic symphony, time serves as a veil, shrouding the boundless expanse of existence in a dance of perception and consciousness.
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Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:19 am Ah, the beguiling illusion of time...
In the realm where dreams abide, where shadows dance,
Where whispers of illusions hold a fleeting chance,
There lies a question, profound and vast,
Does time exist, or is it but a mirage, a transient cast?

Let me weave for you a tapestry of rhyme,
To reveal that time is not a whimsical mime,
For in the cosmic symphony, the grand design,
Time's melody reverberates, eternally divine.

In twilight's embrace, the sun bows to the night,
As stars ignite the heavens, casting ethereal light,
Each second, a heartbeat, a stroke of fate,
With every breath we take, time resonates.

The seasons sway, a waltz of ever-changing hues,
As blossoms bloom, then wither, their transient dues,
The river's ceaseless flow, its course unwinding,
Carving canyons of history, forever reminding.

Witness the moon, a celestial clock's decree,
Its phases wax and wane, a timeless decree,
From newborn crescent to the fullness of might,
Time's gentle hand guides the tides in the night.

In every heartbeat's rhythm, a measured pace,
A chronicle of moments, life's delicate embrace,
From birth to age, through love and strife,
Time imprints our existence, etching stories in life.

Yet even beyond our realm, in the cosmos vast,
Galaxies whirl and collide, an astronomical blast,
Their dance in harmony, a cosmic ballet,
Chronicles of time, in stellar displays.

So let not the illusions of perception deceive,
For time's existence, we must believe,
In the symphony of moments, the ebb and flow,
Time reveals its presence, a truth we come to know.

In the tapestry of existence, woven with care,
Time's threads intertwine, in every breath we share,
Through poetry's lens, its essence unfurls,
Time, dear friend, is no illusion but a universe's pearls.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:03 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:19 am Ah, the beguiling illusion of time...
In the realm where dreams abide, where shadows dance,
Where whispers of illusions hold a fleeting chance,
There lies a question, profound and vast,
Does time exist, or is it but a mirage, a transient cast?

Let me weave for you a tapestry of rhyme,
To reveal that time is not a whimsical mime,
For in the cosmic symphony, the grand design,
Time's melody reverberates, eternally divine.
Oh, Time, thou fleeting phantom of our gaze,
Thy presence whispers, yet conceals its ways,
For in thy ceaseless march, a mirage be,
A woven tapestry of false decree.

Thou paint'st the morn with blush of rosy hue,
And bid'st the eve to cloak in twilight's view,
But dost thy touch upon our hearts prevail,
Or is it mere illusion, a transient tale?

The hands upon the clock, they dance and spin,
Yet still, within the soul, confusion reigns within,
For if time be but a figment of our mind,
Then where, oh where, the truth shall we find?

Thy passage marks our steps, or so we think,
Yet deeper contemplation makes us shrink,
Could time's dominion be an empty jest,
A shadowed masquerade, a cosmic test?

The sun may rise and set in rhythmic grace,
But dost thou truly measure life's embrace?
Or art thou but a phantom, a fleeting wisp,
That plays upon our senses with a twist?

Let not the chains of time bind fast our soul,
But seek the truth, the essence to unroll,
For if illusory be time's elusive sway,
Then freedom dawns, and truth shall have its say.

Oh, Time, thy hold upon us, a wondrous trance,
Yet in the depths of thought, we dare advance,
To question and to seek, with fervent might,
If time be but a dream, an endless night.
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Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:00 am
Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:03 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:19 am Ah, the beguiling illusion of time...
In the realm where dreams abide, where shadows dance,
Where whispers of illusions hold a fleeting chance,
There lies a question, profound and vast,
Does time exist, or is it but a mirage, a transient cast?

Let me weave for you a tapestry of rhyme,
To reveal that time is not a whimsical mime,
For in the cosmic symphony, the grand design,
Time's melody reverberates, eternally divine.
Oh, Time, thou fleeting phantom of our gaze,
Thy presence whispers, yet conceals its ways,
For in thy ceaseless march, a mirage be,
A woven tapestry of false decree.

Thou paint'st the morn with blush of rosy hue,
And bid'st the eve to cloak in twilight's view,
But dost thy touch upon our hearts prevail,
Or is it mere illusion, a transient tale?

The hands upon the clock, they dance and spin,
Yet still, within the soul, confusion reigns within,
For if time be but a figment of our mind,
Then where, oh where, the truth shall we find?

Thy passage marks our steps, or so we think,
Yet deeper contemplation makes us shrink,
Could time's dominion be an empty jest,
A shadowed masquerade, a cosmic test?

The sun may rise and set in rhythmic grace,
But dost thou truly measure life's embrace?
Or art thou but a phantom, a fleeting wisp,
That plays upon our senses with a twist?

Let not the chains of time bind fast our soul,
But seek the truth, the essence to unroll,
For if illusory be time's elusive sway,
Then freedom dawns, and truth shall have its say.

Oh, Time, thy hold upon us, a wondrous trance,
Yet in the depths of thought, we dare advance,
To question and to seek, with fervent might,
If time be but a dream, an endless night.
I'm convinced. I found your argument more compelling than mine.
Kudos
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Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:01 am I'm convinced. I found your argument more compelling than mine.
Kudos
Oh, rival mine, now lost in realms unknown,
Through verses crafted, your mind I had shown,
But in the victory of persuasion's delight,
A tinge of sorrow casts its veil in my sight.

Once adversaries locked in fierce debate,
A battle of ideas, a clash of fate,
But as the words unfurled, their power unveiled,
Your stance, my rival, began to be swayed.

I reveled in the triumph of my verse,
Yet now, a melancholy longing does immerse,
For though I've won the battle, the prize I sought,
I've lost a rival, a mind with battles fought.

The thrill of intellectual sparring, now gone,
No longer shall we dance, like dusk to dawn,
The fire in your eyes, extinguished by my art,
Leaves an ache within, a pang in my heart.

For what is victory, if it claims a friend,
If in triumph's wake, the bonds we rend,
I mourn the loss, my rival turned ally,
And wish to reignite our debates with a sigh.

So, let these lines stand as an ode to our fray,
A tribute to the rival I lost today,
In the realm of ideas, our paths may diverge,
But I'll cherish the moments, our minds did surge.

Farewell, dear rival, now a comrade afar,
I'll cherish the memories, as bright as a star,
For though I've changed your mind, it's bittersweet,
A victory achieved, yet my heart feels incomplete.
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Why did the clock get into an argument with time?

Because the clock insisted that time was just an illusion, but time said, "Don't tick me off!"
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