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The Contradiction of Identity
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:44 pm
by Eodnhoj7
LNC must be described as (A=A)=/=(-A=-A) considering all variables are subject to LI. However this leads to a contradiction as LI (A=A) is not equivalent to LI (-A=-A).
From another perspective LI must be equivalent to LI and can be expressed as (A=A)=(-A=-A). However this reduces to A=-A which in turn contradicts LNC.
Re: The Contradiction of Identity
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:18 am
by Agent Smith
Unfortunately we must lose something to gain something. At the end of the day, we're screwed, oui?
Re: The Contradiction of Identity
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:25 am
by Impenitent
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:44 pm
LNC must be described as (A=A)=/=(-A=-A) considering all variables are subject to LI. However this leads to a contradiction as LI (A=A) is not equivalent to LI (-A=-A).
From another perspective LI must be equivalent to LI and can be expressed as (A=A)=(-A=-A). However this reduces to A=-A which in turn contradicts LNC.
LiNk must be described as sausage
link doesn't contradict patty which is also composed of noncontradictory pork
have we now found the missing link?
-Imp
Re: The Contradiction of Identity
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:36 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Impenitent wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:25 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:44 pm
LNC must be described as (A=A)=/=(-A=-A) considering all variables are subject to LI. However this leads to a contradiction as LI (A=A) is not equivalent to LI (-A=-A).
From another perspective LI must be equivalent to LI and can be expressed as (A=A)=(-A=-A). However this reduces to A=-A which in turn contradicts LNC.
LiNk must be described as sausage
link doesn't contradict patty which is also composed of noncontradictory pork
have we now found the missing link?
-Imp
The link stands apart from the patty because of their forms.
Re: The Contradiction of Identity
Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:09 pm
by alan1000
LiNk must be described as sausage
link doesn't contradict patty which is also composed of noncontradictory pork
have we now found the missing link?
But the term "sausage" is surely problematic. What about beef sausages? Chicken sausages? Come to that, the Prussian statesman Otto von Bismarck said that "peace treaties are like sausages; you don't want to know how they are made". Does this mean that "sausage" must remain an indefinable entity, like "The Unknown God"?
Re: The Contradiction of Identity
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:25 am
by Impenitent
some sauces age better than others
-Imp
Re: The Contradiction of Identity
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:19 pm
by commonsense
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:44 pm
LNC must be described as (A=A)=/=(-A=-A) considering all variables are subject to LI. However this leads to a contradiction as LI (A=A) is not equivalent to LI (-A=-A).
From another perspective LI must be equivalent to LI and can be expressed as (A=A)=(-A=-A). However this reduces to A=-A which in turn contradicts LNC.
You must mean equivalence rather than identity.
Re: The Contradiction of Identity
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:38 pm
by popeye1945
Identity is the experience of the organism's constitution in relation to its context/environment, it's conditioning is its identity.
Re: The Contradiction of Identity
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:21 pm
by Eodnhoj7
alan1000 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:09 pm
LiNk must be described as sausage
link doesn't contradict patty which is also composed of noncontradictory pork
have we now found the missing link?
But the term "sausage" is surely problematic. What about beef sausages? Chicken sausages? Come to that, the Prussian statesman Otto von Bismarck said that "peace treaties are like sausages; you don't want to know how they are made". Does this mean that "sausage" must remain an indefinable entity, like "The Unknown God"?
A link exists because of its contrast to the patty and vice-versa. It is this contrast that necessitates one thing standing apart from another thus a contradiction. Identity, because of contrast (i.e. 'a standing apart'), requires contradiction.
Re: The Contradiction of Identity
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:22 pm
by Eodnhoj7
commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:19 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:44 pm
LNC must be described as (A=A)=/=(-A=-A) considering all variables are subject to LI. However this leads to a contradiction as LI (A=A) is not equivalent to LI (-A=-A).
From another perspective LI must be equivalent to LI and can be expressed as (A=A)=(-A=-A). However this reduces to A=-A which in turn contradicts LNC.
You must mean equivalence rather than identity.
The law of identity is an act of equivalence, but from your perspective you do have a point (not all identity requires equivalence).
Re: The Contradiction of Identity
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:24 pm
by Eodnhoj7
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:38 pm
Identity is the experience of the organism's constitution in relation to its context/environment, it's conditioning is its identity.
Experience is a context thus we are left with a revolving wheel of contexts when dealing with identity. Which came first the organism or the inorganic? I would say neither...but that is me.
Re: The Contradiction of Identity
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:36 am
by popeye1945
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:24 pm
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:38 pm
Identity is the experience of the organism's constitution in relation to its context/environment, it's conditioning is its identity.
Experience is a context thus we are left with a revolving wheel of contexts when dealing with identity. Which came first, the organism or the inorganic? I would say neither...but that is me.
Address my post ramble later.